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The whole campaign is more magic than playing cards than you might think.

It took 4 guys to come up with THIS design?? Don't get me wrong, those are all well-respected people but give me a break. It's essentially a tangent back in a circa 90's tuck with a redesigned AoS.

I've always loved CARC but this is silly. It's nice they're making a club deck but it should be better than this IMO.

vasta41 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:50 pm It took 4 guys to come up with THIS design?? Don't get me wrong, those are all well-respected people but give me a break. It's essentially a tangent back in a circa 90's tuck with a redesigned AoS.

I've always loved CARC but this is silly. It's nice they're making a club deck but it should be better than this IMO.

Just to note - this is the Bicycle Model # 2 back. It's a vintage reprint, not a new design. I for one am a sucker for vintage reprints. The Jokers are vintage, but pulled from an old Bicycle ad, never actually used in a deck before. Lee Asher was heavily involved in the development of this deck.

Also, this is from Conjurer Community, not Conjuring Arts Research Center. Different companies, different people involved.

I'm sure a big part of why it looks pretty normal & standard is because it's designed to be used by magicians and not arouse suspicion.

Reylek wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:44 pm

vasta41 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:50 pm It took 4 guys to come up with THIS design?? Don't get me wrong, those are all well-respected people but give me a break. It's essentially a tangent back in a circa 90's tuck with a redesigned AoS.

I've always loved CARC but this is silly. It's nice they're making a club deck but it should be better than this IMO.

Just to note - this is the Bicycle Model # 2 back. It's a vintage reprint, not a new design. I for one am a sucker for vintage reprints. The Jokers are vintage, but pulled from an old Bicycle ad, never actually used in a deck before. Lee Asher was heavily involved in the development of this deck.

Also, this is from Conjurer Community, not Conjuring Arts Research Center. Different companies, different people involved.

I'm sure a big part of why it looks pretty normal & standard is because it's designed to be used by magicians and not arouse suspicion.

Thank you for the corrections. I don't have a problem with vintage reprints nor slightly modified courts, backs, etc. unlike most UC members. I just don't know why it took 4 people to design this.

Price better drop dramatic like if they want this to be a user. I like Lee, he put up with me own self when I was a member of 52+J for four years or something. Good fella so I'm happy to lend my support. I also really like Brendan, what a great guy and he drew up a lot of this. So again more than happy to lend my support and have another deck he's worked on.

but yea... price better drop after the KS if they want this to be a user.

Thanks for the heads up on this I would otherwise have missed it - the day one deal is great for magicians

The deck is... well it's a decent classic deck but nothing super special. I'm in this for the magic and I think that's the point...

Yup, from the KS, it's more for the CC club members and magic lovers. The membership, teaching and tutorials you get for this deck will be far more valuable than the actual deck itself.

vasta41 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:58 pmI just don't know why it took 4 people to design this.

It doesn't took four people. It's just that four people (only one of them a designer) agreed on choosing to make this their club deck. An exceptional deck for antique/vintage lovers one might be inclined to add.

Since I'm not a magician I hope, just like Fes, that after the campaign there will be some good, cheap deals on the deck without the club/magic perks.

Yes, a 1907 reprint, but the novelty of this and the "work" by the designers was in a deck that can do magic tricks - one of 4 different tricks right as you open the deck

Plus you become a member of the "community" which gives you access to live events and video tutorials.

Magic_Orthodoxy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:07 am Yes, a 1907 reprint, but the novelty of this and the "work" by the designers was in a deck that can do magic tricks - one of 4 different tricks right as you open the deck

Plus you become a member of the "community" which gives you access to live events and video tutorials.

So I wonder, is it a gimmicked deck (i.e. stripper deck) or the magic is only based on card order and extra cards (double backer, blank...) and the fact it has a one way design?

masagin303 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:00 pm

Magic_Orthodoxy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:07 am Yes, a 1907 reprint, but the novelty of this and the "work" by the designers was in a deck that can do magic tricks - one of 4 different tricks right as you open the deck

Plus you become a member of the "community" which gives you access to live events and video tutorials.

So I wonder, is it a gimmicked deck (i.e. stripper deck) or the magic is only based on card order and extra cards (double backer, blank...) and the fact it has a one way design?

I'm sure you wouldn't be disappointed. If you're backing this campaign for the magic then you're in good hands- those guys know their stuff.

vasta41 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:51 pm I'm sure you wouldn't be disappointed. If you're backing this campaign for the magic then you're in good hands- those guys know their stuff.

For $16 shipped when pledging EB half brick or $19 shipped when buying a pair I need some convincing that a brick of Supreme Line Bicycles for $6 shipped each isn't a better deal.

masagin303 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:40 pm

vasta41 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:51 pm I'm sure you wouldn't be disappointed. If you're backing this campaign for the magic then you're in good hands- those guys know their stuff.

For $16 shipped when pledging EB half brick or $19 shipped when buying a pair I need some convincing that a brick of Supreme Line Bicycles for $6 shipped each isn't a better deal.

I'm not going to convince anyone since, I'll definitely pass on that campaign but I guess the campaign seems misleading for a lot of folks as it focuses a lot on the deck design.

You don't get teaching, access to an online community and magic tricks with Supreme Line Bicycles. So, this campaign is incredible value if you're into the perks and not the deck itself.
Solely for the deck, if the design doesn't matter, then Supreme Line Bicycles are the better deal.

USPCC posted a little more about it saying that this deck is the original 1907 Bicycle® 808 Series Model II back design with a never-seen-before Joker graphic from 1894!

They also have chosen an Ace of Spades from a rare whist deck printed in the 1920s. The living plant on this spade symbolizes the organic power of thriving communities.

Printed on Thin Crushed™ Premium paper stock at USPCC and finished with a USPCC Blue Seal.

So I think hard core "fans of Bicycle" will appreciate this as well

oh wow - a closer read indicates that it's going to be printed on the web press at USPCC

Magic_Orthodoxy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:58 am oh wow - a closer read indicates that it's going to be printed on the web press at USPCC

And even closer look indicates that they are already printed and ready to be shipped. This campaign is really weird.

Basically they have thousands of cards already printed (webpress minimal run being somewhere around 30k?), courses ready to be aired right after the campaign. The only thing supporting the use of Kickstarter instead of an e-shop is that KS exclusive deck and even that seems to be already printed if they are going to be shipped at September as well. I like those decks but will wait for the aftermarket in this case.

Edit: Now I see that the Pandemonium isn't really a deck but a magic trick + couple of cards. Meaning everything in this campaign is most probably already produced.

Minimum for web press is 15k.

The first ootb session was today. Entertaining and fun. All in all, good stuff. Hope the other backers enjoyed as well.