Limited Edition "Perspective" Playing Cards now relaunched

[badpete69]

Looks like a second perspective deck this month but this time from LPCC

[HudsonDesign]

Thanks so very much for the post and support badpete69!

Pulled my finger out and jumped in here so I will run over and introduce myself as soon as I get some time.

Thanks Again!

De.

[badpete69]

Glad to have on our forums... Thanks for signing up

[Eoghann]

I apologize beforehand, this isn't usually my style. But I'm just gonna come out and say it before Sprouts does: Boobies. Boobies everywhere.

Whether it was intentional or not, it would've been more subtle with just the spheres. But the dot in the center just defines it.

[HudsonDesign]

Lol, The concentric circles thing did get pointed out to me at one point right before launching. Perhaps an entirely different market for some?

I honestly considered not taking the circles so far to the centre right at the last minute but the Shell deck was the special one, the design was what I wanted and I wanted to stay true to it all in the end. Regardless of it possibly showing some underlying subconscious theories...

Anyway, Amazed at all the positive response already! So each to their own and perhaps it will appeal to some artistically and others subconsciously... If they are really lucky!

De.

[HudsonDesign]

Oh and just a quick clarification. There is no dot in the centre. The circles get smaller then they stop.

Your "perspective" is interesting though

Perhaps whats hidden in plain sight is showing something different in yourself too!

De.

[badpete69]

Joker pic updated my friend

[HudsonDesign]

Thanks so much badpete69,

I cant believe all the support everyone is giving. Just fantastic!

[Fes]

Wow, that uncut shows off lots and lots of clubs. This would make the deck very difficult to use from my perspective. Interesting take on the courts, not sure that I get it or that they're for me, still interesting to look at for a moment. I really like the Diamonds pips I see on the Ten of diamonds. Very interesting and appealing to my eye, probably due to subconscious. The Ace of hearts pip does it a bit better.

Is it the deck that's naughty, or my mind that naughty?

I apologize beforehand, this isn't usually my style. But I'm just gonna come out and say it before Sprouts does: Boobies. Boobies everywhere.

Whether it was intentional or not, it would've been more subtle with just the spheres. But the dot in the center just defines it.

I see them too, everywhere.

[th4mo]

Sorry to be so blunt... but in my opinion this deck is a hot mess.

That ace of spades looks like boobies with testicles!

[HudsonDesign]

Lol again.

I am seeing a very common point of view here on UC.

To clarify the 10 of diamonds you see and the AH above it are both original designs from the limited Shell version of the deck. The entire deck is actually based around that AoH.

It was the first sketch I did in my notebook. It was what I started using everywhere. It was the image I "recycled" into everything else in the deck. The Diamonds, the spades, the clubs, jokers, courts, all designed around the concept of upcycling the Heart pip into everything else.

The courts are made collectively of parts as well. Intentionally minimalistic (comparatively) due to the complex nature of the pips (in comparison to standard pips). But as a fan of most decks and collector myself they also have some pretty specific throwbacks design points referencing a standard deck of cards.

Anyway. I intentionally try to change peoples perspective in every thing I do. Every artwork, every event, every design.

It seems in this case Im having a roaring success. Whether they are your style or not, whether you back them or not, I have definitely achieved a response from some people

And even I am surprised by how much of a positive response I have been receiving from everyone. (The support is just unreal!) Honestly emotionally moved. Its a strange thing for me as much of my work usually involves working in secret, behind closed doors or screens, and having a big reveal at the end. In some cases, especially with my Edison works I still have to keep the piece a relative secret to have the Wow factor when people change their "perspective" and see it for what it is.

This is so different for me because of that. Instead of working on something and TaDaaAAA at the end Its raw form is on display now, in the middle. Exciting, scary, nerve-racking somewhat, but also liberating a bit. I have had interaction and input on pieces before but never on such a grand scale.

Anyway, thanks for even looking at it. From an artists perspective, thats half the battle. (more than really I guess)

Glad to get a "rise" out of people.



De.

[TGunitedcardists]

Pros:
Looks like a lot of effort went into this deck.
The colors are quite nice.
The back design is different...but...
Legends produce excellent cards. (the Serpentine decks have an excellent finish)
Free world wide shipping.
Tuck boxes look interesting.
You seem upbeat and have taken other forum members' criticism in stride.

Cons:
The Kickstarter video didn't do much to sell the cards.
Unusable for games. (completely unusable)
The court cards aren't really court cards.
They don't have a big pip to make them easily recognizable.
The jokers have way too much text.
The text on the back design isn't need IMHO. Would look better without it.
The custom pip layout is too crazy IMHO.
High price.
High pledge goal for your first project.


Misc. Notes:
Yes, boobs and balls. Everyone adult sees it.


I wish you luck, but realistically I think you have a huge uphill battle to get this deck funded.


Constructive ideas if you don't fund and want to continue version 2.0.

I would go with a regular style pip for the indices, and then you stylish revamped pips in a regular layout/orientation.
Real court cards with a big pip to the left of the head.
Remove the text from the back design.
Remove a lot of the text on the jokers.

[HudsonDesign]

TGunitedcardists,

Cheers for the feedback! Its amazed me how much great stuff, good and bad I have had back from people who the deck was just "not their style". Love to touch on your points here for my design ideas and why it is the way it is.

Just pasted your points here to make it easy to understand.

Pros:
Looks like a lot of effort went into this deck.
You have no idea! Its been a real passion!

The colors are quite nice.
Thanks, something I changed 1000 times before I found the right one
The back design is different...but...
Legends produce excellent cards. (the Serpentine decks have an excellent finish)
Legends Diamond Finish all the way. I originally was printing with another company but I myself have a pretty large collection and was using legends cards at the time and wanted mine to be the same. Also was taking a bit to long to sort out the quotes for pricing (not their fault, busy time of year for all) and Lawrence Sullivan was overly friendly and helpful. Both in quoting and design advice.
Free world wide shipping.
This for sure. Half the backers already are from all corners. Being from Aus myself I almost always have to pledge high usually for 6-12 decks to make it worth while. This was something I really wanted to do so that everyone had the same chance.
Tuck boxes look interesting.
Cheers. Its something I spent as much time on as the rest of the deck.
You seem upbeat and have taken other forum members' criticism in stride.
Ive been not only an artist and musician but also have been coordinating weddings and various retreats for a very long time. Aside from the obvious "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" argument that is usually thrown around as a defensive thing (its true though so that's OK). Some people just can't be pleased, and who cares if someone doesn't like something. I'm from the country that eats Vegemite for breakfast and smiles! That was the advertising campaign in the 50s and everything! There is no accounting for taste. I didn't design this on someone elses specs, I made it for me. In the hope others like it.
Other side to that is, its not printed yet. I'm open to ideas always. And they only come from criticism sometimes.

Cons:
The Kick starter video didn't do much to sell the cards.
This was a sticking point for me at one point. I had two issues. My research showed me that many PC kick starters had a video that "sort of" showed the cards, or didn't have a video at all. I had the added bonus of not having a previous deck to spruik from or about. But what I do have is my previous strength and track record as a devoted artist. Also the deck was specifically designed around the same principals as a concept idea. Last but not least, no actual cards to have in video and only able to show renders like everyone else. I decided to let the images and KS page speak for the deck as many others do and let the video show my other work to let people know where I come from and who I am.
Unusable for games. (completely unusable)
This is an interesting one. Would really love some extra feedback on this one for sure. I have over 300 board and card games in our collection and run a local regional gaming group. Along with a reasonable collection of cards. Some of the design stuff I used specifically for some games so I would love to know specific shortfalls in case there is something I really should address for gaming use.
The court cards aren't really court cards.
I guess this is the design thing here. The courts are exactly that. Each a "interpenetration" of their standard deck counterparts. Including the Suicide king. I just did it ... differently. There are other things about them that are throwbacks to the same but I don't want to point them out as part of the concept of "Perspective" was "hidden in plain site". In saying that I have another deck I have been hand drawing as well for some time. Still very different but much closer to what you would call traditional. Just saying that point to I guess get across that I'm not against standard courts, I love them, but they were not what I wanted to do here.
They don't have a big pip to make them easily recognizable.
This is interesting again on my fascination on perspective and how people see things. The pips are all the same size or larger than a standard Bike deck. I measured Bikes, Monarchs, EgyLegends, Owl eyes and used these measurements to decide on what I wanted. The spades are actually a little larger than normal as are the diamonds. The indices are the same too. Interesting they seem small to you.
The jokers have way too much text.
Can't remember which joker it was but another deck recently had a small amount of text at the bottom similar and I really liked it. So just personal choice really. Also the Jokers from Race and Red decks will be identical except for colour change same with the "black" cards. I did this on purpose, text and all to allow interchangeable decks and or cards for magic effects. Colour changes, for fronts and backs. The text also is there specifically to allow me to have a reveal on the second Joker. (not to spoil that for others).
The text on the back design isn't need IMHO. Would look better without it.
To a certain extent I can see this point and even agree. My profile decision on this was due to my upcycling fascination. You see I go through decks pretty regularly (another reason to buy bricks at a time) and I have all these worn out cards lying around. I never throw away anything so I use these for various projects. One was to number the tables in our dining room at home so the waitresses can know which table is which. Its cool, pretty and gets people talking. I also really love the Monarch and other T11 tucks, including the text, but if I use the cards from something like this the text is gone. I guess there is always the argument for no text on a card back, especially with a current trend popping up to see very minimalistic card design with plain backs, NOC etc. (fine for those who like them). But I wanted to keep it there to be part of the design and also identify the deck when the tuck is no longer around. My offset to this was to make the back symmetrical 100% which just meant more text. Also the mirrored text effect was a design element I wanted from the start.
The custom pip layout is too crazy IMHO.
This also specifically what I wanted to have as much empty space on the non indices corners. I know its very different to what people are used to but with the pips not being standard as many others are I felt I had the freedom to be a little more unique. The blank sections left on the cards I hope are used by cardistry and magic fans alike for various effects. Only time will tell I guess.
High price.
I know its a bit more expensive for the lower levels than USA backers are used to but at 6 or more its more than affordable. Also with our $ being so low to the greenback its more affordable again there. Remember it looks more expensive than it is until you do the conversion.. The idea too was to be able to fund the whole project and if we get far enough to get the Limited Shell decks as well to just give them away free to certain levels. The Higher price allowed me to do so sooner. I thoroughly checked other projects being fulfilled in a similar manner, and used these as a baseline. When you take into account he various levels, the free shipping and the AUD$ conversion its all pretty good IMHO. The one question I had about price I explained the same and then the person backed the deck. So it must be reasonable to most.
High pledge goal for your first project.
This I know. I agonized over it. Sure I should play it safe and just make one deck. Just make it simple. Just make it small. Slink in an out. But its not really my style. I made a secret door out of garbage and hid a message in plain site with 2500 pieces of broken junk tile. I struggle greatly doing things by halves. So I took the risk and went with the full plan.

Misc. Notes:
Yes, boobs and balls. Everyone adult sees it.
Lol only here on UC so far. But I don't mind. It was meant to be different to everyone different view and as I said, Whatever floats someones boat and get them to pledge is alright with me.


I wish you luck, but realistically I think you have a huge uphill battle to get this deck funded.
Maybe right. But not afraid of a little work. And the first 24 hours is not up and nearly to 10% so here's hoping !

Constructive ideas if you don't fund and want to continue version 2.0.

I would go with a regular style pip for the indices, and then you stylish revamped pips in a regular layout/orientation.
Real court cards with a big pip to the left of the head.
Remove the text from the back design.
Remove a lot of the text on the jokers.

I think I could fund one deck in a heartbeat. And I have addressed some of my ideas on these points. I can see that it might make it more appealing to a larger group but that's what bikes are for right? The Jokers Idea is sound and the text on the back. I already have an idea for a second "Perspective" project deck (to ambitious?) and these are ideas I would definitely take to this one. But here I really think some of the design points are important to what I wanted personally.

Thanks so much for your comments though. I'm really enjoying all this. Everyone mentioned it could be dreadful amount of hard work and negativity but this is fantastic IMO. Friendly, constructive and involved. I have designed our home around community living so this just feels like a natural extension of that.

Thanks again.

De.

[sprouts1115]

@Eoghann - You know me to well. I'm speechless.

@TGunitedcardists - I have to fully agree with you.

@Hudsondesign - You probably need to get a demo deck done from Legends. With the fine lines and not enough color contrast, I think what we see on the screen is not going to be on the cards. They may look like mud in the end and you might be really disappointed in the outcome.

[HudsonDesign]

Sprouts,

This I know. Lawrence from Legends was really great though, has seen all the designs and let me know what I needed to fix long before we ever got to launching. So I'm confident its all good but proofs are part of the deal so should be fine there too.

@everyone. I have a slight redesign idea (which was a previous version anyway) on the spades with the upper circle removed to differentiate more from the club. I'll upload tomorrow to show everyone and see what people think.

De.

[HudsonDesign]

How does this grab the people that have let me know that a better difference between spades and clubs would be good? I don't want to stray too far but this is pretty true to form and still striking I think.

De.

[Encarded]

Just as a technical note, I am fairly certain that much of the nice line detail you can see fine in your mockups will disappear into a mush when actually printed and air-cushioned. I would strongly recommend getting some real proofs done, as I'd be very concerned that most of your design intent will simply not come through properly.

Someone once called me the "master of subtle design" which I thought was amusing, but I do think I have a good eye for that kind of thing and I'm pretty sure that on your diamond pips, for example, almost the entire center area of lines will end up looking nothing like you hoped.

[HudsonDesign]

Encarded,

As I said just above, already discussed before launch that paper proofs will be provided. All sorted before the ball got rolling!

thanks

De.

[HudsonDesign]

Hey guys,

Updated image showing a small design change to more differentiate between the clubs and spades. Thanks for the feedback to those suggesting I do something on that. To me the spades now POP a bit more but it still feels true to the design.

De.

[HudsonDesign]

So I just had someone ask why I jumped from big tactile artworks to designing a deck of cards.

And why I designed them the way I did, had I looked at other cards for ideas or inspiration.

I'm not an expert, but I know what I like.

And I've seen a deck or two before. So it wasn't just a stab in the dark or out of the hat idea and design. This is one corner of my office.

De.

[HudsonDesign]

Giving away 12 rare decks!

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To show support to those supporting me I have decided to delve into my collection and give away 12 rare decks of cards from my own private collection to one lucky person from those that help spread the word!
Easy to get involved
1. Follow @HudsonDesigned on twitter and retweet the 12 rare decks post.
2. Head on over to http://bit.ly/DeHudson and hit that share button and follow that through
3. Like and follow http://facebook.com/hudsondesignaustralia and post a quick pic there of something pretty that's considered junk or garbage from a different "Perspective" than usual tagged #perspectiveplayingcards
It doesn't have to be complicated, I just want people to look at the world differently for a few seconds is all.
That's It! Easy!

I will choose a winner as soon as this project for the Perspective deck is funded!

Decks are here as pictured and include Gold Private Reserve, Gold Crown, White Monarch, Zen Experimental Prototype, Virtuoso Summer, Black Sky Island, Whispering Imps Special Edition, White LTD, Inverted Kings, Sultan Treasury, Red Arcane and Scarlet Dealers. All from my collection, all bought or obtained by purchase promo all in very good condition from my display cases. Will send where-ever packaged very well but can't guarantee your post guys.

[Aussie888]

I don't do the twitter thing unfortunately. I do however hope the deck gets funded. It's always good to see Aussie projects succeed.

[HudsonDesign]

I don't do the twitter thing unfortunately. I do however hope the deck gets funded. It's always good to see Aussie projects succeed.

Honestly, I didn't really get twitter at all and had my twitter account to just automatically copy my facebook page so I didn't need to "handle" another thing. I am still definitely learning too. But recently with a handful of people like Lee Asher, Justin Miller and others all reaching out, sharing, or posting to or about my projects at some point I realized I was probably ignoring a valuable and easy way to connect with people.

Thanks for the support though. Anything is a massive help, no matter the avenue.

De.

[Mike Ratledge]

I added you to the "Deck Artist" group.

Welcomr to UC!

[HudsonDesign]

Thanks Mike,

Appreciate it.

Better go check it out too now!

[HudsonDesign]

Merry Christmas everyone!

For me I received one of the coolest gifts ever. An art piece put together by my Tattooist my wife had done with all of my life represented!

And as a bonus the Perspective deck just passed $4000!

What a day!

Stay safe, happy and I hope all your families are close and enjoying the time together.

De

[HudsonDesign]

After a truckload of praise and helpful comments I have a new updated design for the perspective deck. Here is the new design for the Race deck based on repeated comments and advice to make a great thing better here are some of the changes made over the christmas break and a new image of the Race Sheet and back.

1. Simplified and removed all Text from back

2. Removed many of the background repeated circles to accentuate and further stand out the differences of the suit pips. Now clubs, spades, hearts and diamonds are all defined and more noticeably different.

3. Larger Indices for all cards

4. Largest of the Joker text removed

5. After checking out a prototype print the colors were just a little too dark so both the red and the green have been lightened significantly.

Check out the images below and let me know what you all think

[Cbkimble]

Check the 10 of Diamonds. 2 pips are different than the others.

[HudsonDesign]

CB
Cheers. Yes I had them all done but printed the wrong file to jpeg here. Thanks though!

De.

[sprouts1115]

@HudsonDesign - I'll keep this simple. I think your diagonal approach is not working especially in the courts. You have to much white negative space.