The Successor by TGW/Kevin Cantrell

[TheGentlemanWake]

Yup, just send that thing to caneveski.

As much as I hope you’re right I have a feeling it will slow down considera today.

[masagin303]

Yup, just send that thing to caneveski.

As much as I hope you’re right I have a feeling it will slow down considera today.

Even if the campaign would stop right now, it would already be a huge success! And we're far from the end line. 250% just about to be unlocked.

[theCapraAegagrus]

I'm a sucker for display sets, but having 6 different variants of decks is annoying AF.

[caniveski]

Love everything about the decks but not about the shipping. 6 dollars for a deck seems excessive and is stopping me adding to my pledge. That sarcophagus is heavy but is shipped free to us backers. Is US shipping being subsidised by rest of world shipping or is all shipping being subsidised ?

[Strag]

From a personal view, I would rather that no one get "free" shipping and instead everyone get charged "actual" shipping when it's ready to happen. This has two positive impacts:
1. The creator isn't paying the extra to Kickstarter on the shipping portion
2. Everyone pays much close to what the actual cost is.

I am sorry but I cannot buy that it's $18 extra for three additional decks to ship. It just isn't.

[machonekevin]

another great campaign. a consolation "prize" for the total after 24 hours seems like a nice idea. just sayin' (haha). good luck the rest of the way Omar.

[Harvonsgard]

If I remember correctly we had the shipping topic in the past, too. Despite being situated in Germany and thus should be very happy about free shipping, I'm a huge fan of everybody carrying their own weight aka everyone pays shipping accordingly.

For one or two of the European long time members and regulars in here I can offer to give you my German address and forward you the parcel after fulfillment. This might save EU guys some bucks.

[TheGentlemanWake]

From a personal view, I would rather that no one get "free" shipping and instead everyone get charged "actual" shipping when it's ready to happen. This has two positive impacts:
1. The creator isn't paying the extra to Kickstarter on the shipping portion
2. Everyone pays much close to what the actual cost is.

I am sorry but I cannot buy that it's $18 extra for three additional decks to ship. It just isn't.

I’m going to add a couple of add-ons. A trio add-on (red/blue/black) with reduced shipping. And a 6 deck addon (2 ea of red/blue/black) also with reduced shipping. I’ll let you know when it’s up.

[TheGentlemanWake]

Kier Gomes reviews the successor

https://youtu.be/XZn4NEg63Wo

[sms69x]

I totally appreciate the fact that you're offering EU shipping that alone is just great.
But your shipping prices are anything but friendly (you should better remove that from the campaign 'EU friendly shipping')... It is more expensive than having decks shipped from US. Not sure where did you got your rates, but the ones you are asking are just outrageous... In the LOTR campaign I could add any extra deck (except legacy) for $2 extra for shipping, you're asking $6??
I'm still a backer for the time being, still trying to work some deals to have my pledge split and only get what I want, but if I'm unable to, I will for sure cancel the pledge, I hate to indulge these practices of over pricing everything just because some think it bring prestige to the brand (I know I'm in minority here, as the numbers on your project show it clearly)...

Nonetheless congrats on the huge success!

[caniveski]

Other issue which I noticed is adding brick of reds or blues would cost $72...ouch.....I'm sure that shipping would put people off....

[TheGentlemanWake]

I totally appreciate the fact that you're offering EU shipping that alone is just great.
But your shipping prices are anything but friendly (you should better remove that from the campaign 'EU friendly shipping')... It is more expensive than having decks shipped from US. Not sure where did you got your rates, but the ones you are asking are just outrageous... In the LOTR campaign I could add any extra deck (except legacy) for $2 extra for shipping, you're asking $6??
I'm still a backer for the time being, still trying to work some deals to have my pledge split and only get what I want, but if I'm unable to, I will for sure cancel the pledge, I hate to indulge these practices of over pricing everything just because some think it bring prestige to the brand (I know I'm in minority here, as the numbers on your project show it clearly)...

Nonetheless congrats on the huge success!

As I mentioned. My shipping rates were based on Lorenzo’s model for EOTO. I do realize that $6 for one deck feels like a lot. I’m taking the necessary steps to mitigate that and make sure folks are able to maximize their dollar spent. Adjustments are all I can do. Shipping is terrifying as a creator. It’s an unknown and looming threat that can easily derail a business from a profitable track. On tempest we spent $26k on shipping alone.

Regarding “my” practices… these principles of scarcity/luxury have been implemented far longer than I’ve been in business. I absolutely respect any one’s choice to cancel or not pledge in the first place if they don’t feel this project is for them. But here’s what I can say… the loudest voices in the room were screaming that the sarcophagus was something nobody wanted. Only 30 remain out 400. I woke up to 250k in funding after only 24 hours. My last campaign raised 194k in 30… DAYS. What would you do if you were me? What lessons would you learn?

Other issue which I noticed is adding brick of reds or blues would cost $72...ouch.....I'm sure that shipping would put people off....

I’m going to correct this today by adding some additional add-ons with more consideration with regards to shipping. Brick boxes weigh quite a bit so shipping won’t be cheap but $72 is excessive. I hadn’t really considered someone would want to add a brick of only red or blue. That’s a valuable piece of feedback. Thank you.

[Timmargh]

I'm going to give away an uncut Tuck case of YOUR choosing handsigned to the person who most closely guesses the final campaign funding total the Successor will reach without going over. What do you think?

updated everyone's guesses in order:

philmyer92 - 190k
PiazzaDelivery - 200k
Kage X - 210k
crazy_lazy 218k
kasuma99 - 222,222
Timmargh - 226k

FUNDING AT 11pm DAY 1 - 234k

machonekevin - 235k
GandalfPC - 254k
keytopokemon - 260k
GandalfTheWhite - 267k
Sir Toddalot - 275k
laitostarr777 - 280k
hsbc - 290k
irtjames14 - 297k
STLBlues - 302k
brownsl - 305k
masagin303 - 311k
MagikFingerz - 320k
supeoman - 321k
Harvonsgard - 333,333
Eric Lee- 340k
balrog326 - 350k
HFMJ - 369k
steampunk52 - 375k
rouselle - 385k
Fenrir - 394k
CourtCurator - 404k
vasta41 - 500k
caniveski - 600k

It's just occurred to me that the project is in $ and I was thinking in £. Oh well.

[GandalfPC]

My guess was in Bitcoin

[sms69x]

But here’s what I can say… the loudest voices in the room were screaming that the sarcophagus was something nobody wanted. Only 30 remain out 400. I woke up to 250k in funding after only 24 hours. My last campaign raised 194k in 30… DAYS. What would you do if you were me? What lessons would you learn?

I'll be speaking for myself here:
I'm supporting the sarcophagus because of the purple deck only, and that's why I'm trying with friends to find one that is willing to keep the sarcophagus for him so I can keep the purple deck for myself, but this is not easy as no one want the box, but all of them would be happy to get the purple deck. So it seems that there are a lot of people that are willing to shell out top dollar to get something that they don't want. So yeah, I still stand by my initial opinion very few are supporting the box because of the box...

This practice seems to be working this time around, but in the future this will not work for sure, as no collector would want to keep pilling on (expensive) boxes that are of no use for them, it is already a nightmare to store decks alone.
So the only lesson that you could take from this is that if you would offer the purple deck without the box you would be sold out on those in the first 10-20 min... and not still have 30 or so to sell..

[caniveski]

Whilst I dislike the shipping although I'm hearing signs of improvement : ). The box I will love and will take center stage in any display I create.....

[TheGentlemanWake]

The problem you are having is that No one wants the box WITHOUT the purple deck because as far as I’m concerned they are inexorably tied together. But again I’m finding this argument to be fruitless. Thanks for your support.

[GandalfPC]

Not every deck you want is one you get to have. The success of the campaign thus far shows that people do want the box, and as TGW stated, it is linked to the deck - it may seem unfair to those that wish they were not linked, but that is just a matter of opinion and wishes.

It’s ok to just pass on a package you don’t want, and its a fact that you can’t always get what you want.

Please stop hammering on TGW - I really don’t think he intended to make people buy a box they didn’t want to get the deck - he figured there were enough people who wanted the pair, and it certainly appears he was right.

I personally like the box, and find myself perfectly happy not finding it in my budget - I like the purple, but find myself more pleased with the white. So I picked up a set which includes the white. Would I have liked to just get the white? Did I have to buy three decks I didn’t want to get it? Does it matter? There were various packages for sale and I got to decide which if any I wanted.

Countless campaigns have had gilded decks that could only be had by those that purchased other decks.

Perhaps I wanted just the silver coin off of the latest lord of the rings box, or just the box without the deck - I wouldn’t even bother Jackson with the question.

[bdawg923]

Please stop hammering on TGW - I really don’t think he intended to make people buy a box they didn’t want to get the deck

He said that the vision is to sell the box with 6 decks though.

he figured there were enough people who wanted the pair, and it certainly appears he was right.

Not necessarily. May be people buying the prism deck despite the box. Can't assume one way or another.

Countless campaigns have had gilded decks that could only be had by those that purchased other decks.

Keyword decks, not expensive boxes.

[wingedpotato]

I think part of the reason TGW is getting so many complaints is that he and Kevin designed a Monarch deck that is SO MUCH BETTER design-wise than the three decks under it. As a 4-color deck it pops in a way that make the red, blue, and black pale in comparison. In my mind at least, it isn't the "scarcity" or metal do-dad sleeve or even the foil that have people drooling, it is the superior design. So of course people are going to say "How can I just get THAT beautiful mo-fo?"

[bdawg923]

I think part of the reason TGW is getting so many complaints is that he and Kevin designed a Monarch deck that is SO MUCH BETTER design-wise than the three decks under it. As a 4-color deck it pops in a way that make the red, blue, and black pale in comparison. In my mind at least, it isn't the "scarcity" or metal do-dad sleeve or even the foil that have people drooling, it is the superior design. So of course people are going to say "How can I just get THAT beautiful mo-fo?"

And because the sarcophagus is a costly non-deck item that must be purchased to access the (in my opinion) nicest deck

[GandalfPC]

I know - all good arguments - but the fact remains, its a package deal that you get to choose or not - the box is obviously very important to his creation and its ok for him to take feedback and in the end make his own decisions on how to package and market the whole thing.

My comment on gilded decks was in regard to the white deck, which does not require the box - but my overall statement is that the box is not an afterthought, it is a crowning jewel. Not a jewel everyone wants, and sure it contains a jewel of a deck that people wish they could have without it - but that is also ok.

[bdawg923]

I don't disagree Gandalf. I'm glad Omar is here taking feedback and detailing his thought process leading up to the launch. But there's no way to know whether people are buying the box tier because of 1) they love the box more than the decks 2) they want the prism deck and don't like/care/want the box/may sell it 3) they like both the box and prism deck or some other combination of liking the box or decks included, unless he asks the backers of that tier explicitly. It seems that the success of the campaign has been "proof" that people love the sarcophagus, even though it's unclear one way or another. Maybe it's successful because people love the deck designs. Maybe it's because th sarcophagus is the best thing they ever seen.

But here’s what I can say… the loudest voices in the room were screaming that the sarcophagus was something nobody wanted. Only 30 remain out 400

I'm truly happy for your success on this campaign, I just hope you are sure specifically why that tier is almost sold out. Is it the deck? The box? Or both? If the sarcophagus was an add-on, would there be as many backers for it? Is the prism deck pushing people to that tier or the sarcophagus?

I did get a survey in my Kickstarter dm after I backed, I wish it asked people this very question if they backed the sarcophagus tier. More data is always good to help make future decisions. We are definitely loud but it's unclear if the people who don't like the sarcophagus are in the minority or not.

[theCapraAegagrus]

Not every deck you want is one you get to have. The success of the campaign thus far shows that people do want the box, and as TGW stated, it is linked to the deck - it may seem unfair to those that wish they were not linked, but that is just a matter of opinion and wishes.

I want the box. I want 6 decks. What I don't want is to have to spend exorbitant amounts of money on the aftermarket to acquire seconds of the 3 decks that I otherwise cannot add-on to my pledge.

[GandalfPC]

I’m sure TGW would also like all the data they can get to help them design future campaigns - and I’m sure that although they will never please everyone, they will strive to please as many as possible while running a successful business doing so.

[GandalfPC]

seconds of the 3 decks that I otherwise cannot add-on to my pledge.

Which 3 decks do you want seconds of? Might find some here willing to trade them away or sell them for a decent price - I might even grab a package with some if such a package is available so we can prearrange it…

Also not sure he’s done with putting up add-ons, and there’s also backerkit to consider

[theCapraAegagrus]

seconds of the 3 decks that I otherwise cannot add-on to my pledge.

Which 3 decks do you want seconds of? Might find some here willing to trade them away or sell them for a decent price - I might even grab a package with some if such a package is available so we can prearrange it…

Also not sure he’s done with putting up add-ons, and there’s also backerkit to consider

The 3 gilded decks. If they were only gilded versions of the other decks, I wouldn't care, but they're clearly unique. I f**king hate unique decks being pay-walled. This kind of paywall gives all power to scalpers to buy up limited tiers and then charge an arm and a leg on eBay for people like me who want to open a copy.

I think/thought very highly of Omar. If he doesn't alleviate this issue, I won't be giving him any of my money in the future, and I know that I am not the only one.

I will exhibit patience with this issue until the Kickstarter and Backerkit close. Don't let me down, TGW.

[GandalfPC]

I can up my pledge to the 5 deck set from my current 4 so you can get another Dynasty Rex if you like for the cost difference

[theCapraAegagrus]

I can up my pledge to the 5 deck set from my current 4 so you can get another Dynasty Rex if you like for the cost difference

I don't have 2 accounts.

[GandalfPC]

I have 3 . Had forgotten about that . Guess I could get you an extra white as well, but as that comes with red,blue,black we would need someone looking for extras of those