True Solidarity by Riffle Shuffle - soon @KS

[masagin303]

I've just came upon this deck on Riffle Shuffles's Instagram. Should be soon on Kickstarter.

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[Harvonsgard]

[Decknowledgy]

Copy of copies of copies produces none other than:

[Thirdway Industries]

Lol I just made the contrary of this concept

[Strag]

Or...

[james001a]

Going to sit this one out. There is nothing I particularly dislike about this deck, but as mentioned above it looks so similar to other decks from them. RS found a formula for sure, but now they need to change it up as it is getting boring and repetitive.

[STLBluesNut]

looks good as usual but not with what appears to me to be jumping on the BLM fist political bullshit. nope.

[hsbc]

The raised fist has been a symbol for at least 100 years

[STLBluesNut]

i guess it is a shame that such a shit organization has become synonymous with it then.

[Strag]

Let's keep politics out of it please

[CourtCurator]

I hope this deck is backed up in some way with legitimate egalitarian work. Otherwise, I’m not sure if the name fits.

[Harvonsgard]

That I highly doubt... It's more like a Che Guevara on a shirt; there to sell a shirt .

[CourtCurator]

That I highly doubt... It's more like a Che Guevara on a shirt; there to sell a shirt .

That’s what I’m afraid of. If so, not cool.

[CourtCurator]

That I highly doubt... It's more like a Che Guevara on a shirt; there to sell a shirt .

That’s what I’m afraid of. If so, not cool.

They could change the name to “Paper Solidarity,” then I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

[Azid]

Campaign launched today:

[STLBluesNut]

gorgeous tucks as usual. i like that it is supposed to be a tribute to heroes. nurses, doctors, military, police which i support 100%. that GD fist though. 1000% the wrong symbol for this deck and i dont think i can do it.

[masagin303]

gorgeous tucks as usual. i like that it is supposed to be a tribute to heroes. nurses, doctors, military, police which i support 100%. that GD fist though. 1000% the wrong symbol for this deck and i dont think i can do it.

What's the problem with the fist? Raised fist is a symbol of solidarity for more then a century.

[STLBluesNut]

with some of the groups that have adopted it, it is more of a symbol of rebellion and anarchy to me. also socialist and communist.

edit: and, just now looking up the word solidarity all of the related groups the search produced on the right side of the screen were all socialist political parties. so yeah, wrong symbol in my book and no thanks. just as the swastika was a symbol adopted and used by the nazi's and has a much different meaning now, but for long before that it was a symbol of good luck. even built into buildings as architectural and decorative accents in some regions of the world. i think there was at some point here a picture of a deck of old cards it was used on as a symbol of good luck, maybe it was on ebay.

[Harvonsgard]

Some are so scared of freedom that even words and symbols are their shackles ...

[STLBluesNut]

why dont you be a little more direct in your comment. are you implying that my not liking what has become a socialist and rebellious symbol that i am somehow scared of freedom? or that the ideas of socialism and other groups that have adopted this particular symbol are somehow standing for freedom? what exactly are you getting at there? id love to know.

[rousselle]

I'm not detecting a lot of solidarity here.

Please, let's keep the conversation in this thread to the cards.

If you want to talk politics, feel free to start a topic in the General forum or in the long under-utilized Thunderdome thread.

[STLBluesNut]

i was talking cards and why i didn't like the design. until what appears to be a vague and veiled personal assertion about or towards me appeared. at least that is how i take and read it. we can surely disagree what a symbol that is used in a deck design means but when you want to make implications about me personally you can speak up and state it clearly.

edit: discussion had and problems resolved in pm's.

[GandalfPC]

You will find that the usage of this symbol is quite varied - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_fist

In the case of this deck it is obvious that it is not communist nor socialist to me

I would also note that the inclusion of military, police and judges does not make anarchy a valid conclusion

[rousselle]

I dare say, this almost looks more like a fist-bump to me than a raised-hand symbol.

As someone who studied to be a Sovietologist in college and lived in Moscow for a bit while it was still the Soviet Union, I'm no stranger to the iconography of socialism/communism, and this ain't it. It also doesn't evoke BLM for me, but I understand that your mileage may vary.

[STLBluesNut]

i understand how it is being used. however, using the logic above, would you make the same argument for say a swastika being used in a deck for good luck? after all it is an indian/hindi symbol for good luck long predating the nazis and jewish holocaust. im sure those decks would get stunning reviews and sell like hotcakes. those good luck four leaf clover casino cards would be a fun deck for any jewish game night i bet.

[STLBluesNut]

You will find that the usage of this symbol is quite varied - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_fist

In the case of this deck it is obvious that it is not communist nor socialist to me

I would also note that the inclusion of military, police and judges does not make anarchy a valid conclusion

you are correct. it has been used for many things, and many of the things it has been used for, i do not agree with so i choose not to support this project. from your link, "Its most widely known usage is by the Black Panther Party, a Black Marxist group in the 1960s.[19] A Black fist logo was also adopted by the northern soul music subculture. A right hand white fist holding a red rose is used by the Socialist International and some socialist or social democratic parties, such as the Socialist Party in France and the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party" so no thanks. i think here in america, it is more know for these types of things. imo.

so again, imo, wrong symbol to use for this type or theme of deck. when you do an image search on solidarity, you also get images like the ones below which i think would have been more appropriate in the current climate.

[GandalfPC]

Likening this symbol to the use of a swastika is pushing it - the fist is a currently used and respected symbol in my opinion, the swastika is not - the idea that someone might post some here shocks me a bit, as we are likely all aware that it existed before the nazi party and certainly didn’t need its image displayed to prove it - at most a mention of its prior existence would have sufficed.

As for still not liking a fist symbol and wanting people holding hands, I believe the deck chose the fist so as to capture ideas that the holding hands would not. Fighting against oppression was an intended portion.

[Harvonsgard]

... used and respected symbol in my opinion, the swastika is not - the idea that someone might post some here shocks me a bit, as we are likely all aware that it existed before the nazi party and certainly didn’t need its image displayed to prove it.

You're falling in the same trap as he does. Which is kinda ironic since you're argueing for him to chill in regards of a certain iconographic language.
He posted literal lucky charms. One even with Ganesh that makes it unmistakely recognizable as hinduistic. The swastika is still a used and respected symbol in huge parts of Asia were it originated. If you're scared of swastikas then better don't open Japanese maps - they mark bhuddist temples there.

I don't think STL has to over and over justify his dislike for the choosen iconography. He doesn't like it, period. Most of us don't see the connection he does and have voiced it. All's well that ends well .

[Decknowledgy]

Just to clarify, the Buddhist 卍 and the Nazi swastika are completely different. Mixing the two just shows how this iconography/ideological debate is irrelevant for a playing card forum, where people are only truly united in their love for playing cards. Every piece of other information are partial and personal and seldom translate to a communal agreement here. Symbols mean different in different contexts and from the eye of the viewers standing from different positions.

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[GandalfPC]

I do not see it as the same trap, nor am I unclear on the tilted/untilted/left/right orientation of swastikas in history and the differences. We are talking about a man so reviled that his mustache style and first name have fallen into intentional disuse - the fact that the nazi salute was previously the roman salute is also understood, yet it has also fallen into intentional disuse.

The good luck symbols posted above were from before WWII - they are not favored today. I won't bother discussing it further - those that wish to make their beds can do so without me.