[EBAY] Selling my Duplicates (Some are pretty rare)

[Spectre]

I'm selling off everything that I have more than two of.

I have been spending that last few evenings listing them on eBay and still have quite a few more to list. So please check back over the next couple of days. I'll be listing more of my rarer decks this weekend.

If a member here sees something they want, I will sell them here for 10% off if using PayPal Friends & Family.

Just send me a message either on here or contact me on eBay and let me know you are a UC member.

https://www.ebay.com/str/mojosstore/Pla ... 8704365013

[Spectre]

*Bump*

I'm listing some of my more rare decks this weekend if anyone is interested.

[brownsl]

What is your Ebay username? The link in the first post doesn't go to anything special on Ebay.

[Spectre]

Try it now....

[brownsl]

That worked, thanks!

[Adonael]

Amazing selection! I wouldn't think a cracked seal of all things on the Icons Signature would devalue it so incredibly drastically, that's basically a steal at 75% off. I'm not familiar with the other stuff, but the Lotrek decks are very inconsistent with some being way over-priced, even arbitrarily so, even with the 10% UC discount, some being okay if a little high, and a couple outliers being less than market. The worst examples being the Grotesk Black Gold/Silver which just don't make any sense being priced higher then almost anything else including Silk/Arabesque/Ambassadors Signature, particularly considering they were the cheapest to buy from Lotrek when released and have been available for months as part of a set in 4 listings at 100 each and haven't been sold. Not to mention the Liturgy Black Bronze Red at 160 when there is literally another listing for just 50 right now. I know it's extra work and there's a lot of decks, but a little more research may have done some good.

[Spectre]

I appreciate the feedback. I know most of the decks are priced a bit high. After some time passes I might lower them some. I might not. I'm not really selling because of a need for cash. So I don't mind waiting for someone to come along that desires a specific deck and does not want to buy four decks when they really only want the one. I'm not going to please everyone, especially here where some people want a great deal on hard to find decks. Additionally, about 75% of the time, I get messages asking for a lower price, even though I don't select accept offers. The offers continually come. Sometimes I agree and sell for a negotiated price, sometimes I don't.
Bottom line, if you see something you want, let's talk. Maybe we can come to an agreement.

[Adonael]

I understand what you're saying, it's just that after starting the fill process for Lotrek 6 months months ago I have become very familiar with the market for his work. And I think it's important to point out the difference between pricing high (despite no need for cash? why try to raise the market and increase your already hefty profit then?) and pricing at a point which may take some items years to sell to someone with an unlimited budget and no patience or desire to compare to the market. Those are long odds, and a bit self-defeating.

[Bradius]

Spectre has said earlier when he first put some of his collection up, that the main motivating reason for selling some decks is that he had more of a particular deck than he needed in his large collection. Spectre is simply trying to get some of the space in his house back so he can add more incredible decks without having to add an addition onto his house. So, he is not as motivated a seller as some others might be. I saw one rare deck that I thought was really over-priced, but it sold! If I really needed that deck, it will likely be a long time before I get another shot at that deck. And, when it next comes up for sale, it might be cheaper or it might not. Those are the chances you take in passing up a rare deck at any price. It comes down to what is one person willing to pay for it. Just realize Spectre might not be as willing to move on prices as others because he doesn't need to sell his decks that bad. Heck make him a bulk offer on his less expensive decks and he might be more willing to move in that direction as it frees up a lot more space than coming way down on one rare deck. Just a thought...

I have kind of thought about maybe doing something like a reverse auction on eBay or here where I start a deck or set up high and slowly bring the price down. If you don't purchase it at the higher price, you run the risk someone else grabs it. Once the price gets to a point that I am not interested in selling it, I'll pull it back and put it in my collection. Come ask me later to sell at my lowest price and I probably would rather just wait and do it over some time later and instead try another set.

[Adonael]

There's nothing I want personally, I'm pointing this out because it doesn't make sense, I'm very familiar with the current market, and I genuinely thought at first that he simply didn't do the research. The fact that some are indeed reasonably priced led me to that assumption. However he's made clear that isn't the case, while the Liturgy and Black Gold/Silver are very good examples of arbitrarily ridiculous prices seemingly chosen at random. And nothing you've said addresses my question, why try to raise the market and increase his profit if it isn't about money? If he genuinely just wants to move extra decks? The market is already high which he surely knows, yet in many instances he is pushing much further than reason allows, for money, while actively sabotaging the claimed goal of moving the decks, because money isn't his motivation? Is that what you're saying? I don't see how a lack of monetary motivation logically translates into senseless greed. That's simply not something with which I can reconcile. "I'm not wanting for money and I just want to clear out some spare decks to make room for my collection, so I'm going to try and fleece as much from one sucker as I can no matter how long it takes." Does that strike you as a rational sentence? You can defend the amount of willingness one might have to move on prices when they're at market, but a lot of these? It would be nothing more than a joke to try that.

If someone doesn't want to do the research or present any semblance of fairness so that they can line their pockets that's their business, just own it and don't try to make excuses for it, like that guy with the $900 Golden Oaths which might take a decade to sell. Say 'these are my prices and I truly do not give a f*** about markets, or you the buyer, or the community, or my time, I can wait as long as it takes because dolla dolla bills ya'll rollin' in da benz dawg'. Atleast it's honest. Not that what he's said already is far off, suggesting that top of the market prices are 'wanting a great deal', uh a great deal is known to be under market, that's kinda what makes it a deal. You don't excitedly tell your friend, 'oh dude I got this at full RRP, what a great deal'.

[Timmargh]

I click the link and get to the store, but I see zero playing cards. Help, please?

[Kermode]

US shipping only.

[Timmargh]

US shipping only.

Got it; cheers.

[Bradius]

First, let me say that I can assure you Spectre is not a greedy person. That is about as wrong an assumption as you can ever get. I'll just leave it at that.

why try to raise the market and increase his profit if it isn't about money?

As I said earlier, I think you over-estimate your knowledge of the market. Please understand, I am not saying that to mean that you don't know the market. It is just that the market isn't always logical. As I pointed out in my post above that I think I know the market fairly well, but one of his decks that I thought was over-priced sold quickly. It was a particularly rare deck though. If I really wanted that deck, it is "poof" gone. Who knows what it will cost next time it shows up? Maybe I can get it for what I want to buy it, maybe it will cost even more. Such is the challenge when you are talking about anything rare and in demand. The demand may increase, it may decrease. That is why it is hard to guess. Sometimes a collector has money to spend and other times not. You are assuming that Spectre is trying to raise the market and is motivated by money. I know that to be false. I think it is more that Spectre has priced the decks at how HE values them in his collection. This is especially true of the really rare decks he is offering for sale. I say this because I have some rare decks in my collection. If I were to sell some, my price point to sell them might be very high because of how much I value them. So, I'll say this again. The prices reflect what this seller is willing to sell for, especially the rarer decks. Some he put a "Make an Offer". It would seem logical that on those decks he is willing to consider another offer. However, if you try that method and someone else hits "Buy it Now", while you wait on an answer...well you missed it.

The real point of saying he is not motivated by money is to say, Spectre is a seller that doesn't need money so badly that he will sell a deck just get a dollar. To use a poker analogy (I mean we are talking about playing cards), if you want to play with Spectre, understand you are sitting down at a table where someone probably has a whole lot of chips. That isn't greedy. That is a fact.

Honestly, if you don't like his prices, don't buy them. Keep in mind Spectre has a lot more decks to put up for sale. One might be a huge whale of yours. But hey, say whatever you want.

[Spectre]

First you assume I bought all these decks directly from Lotrek at "cheap" prices. Most of them I did not. That includes the Grotesk decks that I paid a small fortune for because I have that sickness were I have to "have them all". It was not until the Arabesques decks that I found out how to get in on them from the ground floor. So in most cases, I paid eBay prices for them. I do have a lot more decks to sell, I just started with the extra Lotrek decks and I must have struck a nerve with you, other decks are coming this evening and tomorrow. Maybe you can give me crap about them decks too.

Here seems to be the difference between you and I. If I want a deck, and I find the deck, I pay for the deck. For instance, the Imperial Reverse deck. Yes I paid $1000 for both my copies. Was it too much? Some might say yes, but not to me. It was a deck I wanted and I didn't mind paying for it to add it to my collection. At the end of the day they are my decks to sell as I want. I only listed here as a courtesy because I see on occasion people are looking for something I may have.

Like I said before, the prices are a starting point to a conversation. Some of the decks I certainly don't mind negotiating over. And with them being listed on eBay, not here, I have eBay prices, because most of the time buyers send me low ball offers. This way, I have a little wiggle room.

Bottom Line: If you see something you want, let me know, we can work something out that is fair to both of us. If not, I have to assume you are here to just complain about something you are not going to buy anyway.

As a side note: Now that I think about it. Keep on complaining. It just keeps my listing at the top and more people see it.

Cheers!

[justplaycards]

As a side note: Now that I think about it. Keep on complaining. It just keeps my listing at the top and more people see it.

That made me laugh, theres no such thing as bad advertising

I don't know why people get so annoyed over other collectors pricing when they sell their decks. Surely it's down to Spectre to decide what he wants to let one of his rare pristine decks leave his collection. It's not like he is a non collecting reseller just trying to make money out of the community. They actually do annoy me.

Yeah there is a couple of decks I would be interested in and it's a shame he doesn't ship outside the US and yeah my whale is there and it's a little outside my budget. Thats no reason to complain though.

[J_Barrett69]

I know there isn't one listed on your eBay. but do you happen to have an Evil Deck you'd sell? Just figured I'd ask since you have some other Thirdway decks on there.

[Spectre]

I only have one. Sorry, I can't let it go at this time.

[justplaycards]

Hi Spectre,

Decks turned up this morning, couldn't be happier. It's a shame I never had the cash for your other S17 decks.
If your ever parting with anymore from Lorenzo, please give me a heads up.

[Mike2350]

One might be a huge whale of yours.

**This is just my opinion. I've bought from Spectre's eBay store quite a few times. He seems like a really good guy. The decks I've bought were in fantastic condition and they arrived very quickly. I will continue to buy from him if I see something I need and can afford. Just wanted to say that before I get started.**

I know he has one of mine. One that I've been looking for, for quite some time. It will stay one of mine, however. I don't have nor am I interested in paying $1.1K for an Imperial Reverse, and I know all about how rare it is. I'm basically with Adonael on this. Under normal conditions, that deck wouldn't last a day on eBay. That's a whale for many of us I would imagine. I'm not sure, but didn't Jacks & Jokers sell the complete 6 deck set of ICONS on eBay a few months back for about the same price? I could be wrong on that, but I thought he was asking about $1K. That could've been €1,000. Or even £. But still. You say it's not about money? Ok, cool. What it's also not about is helping the community find a whale. Price is absolutely up to the owner, that's a fact, but when it's priced so high no one wants it, it's not about getting rid of some extra decks to make room either. Even with the 10% discount, that's still over $900. I might have been a buyer in the $650-$700 range. Anyway...

Think about it...It's not about money so I'm going to ask so much for it, it may never sell and if not I'll just take it back off the market and try in a year or two. Hmm...to me that just screams "it's all about the money". He may not NEED the money, that's true, but it is about money in my humble opinion. I guess I'm just a little slow sometimes.

I've bought a heck of a lot of decks on this site. I don't ask for a better price than what's listed. I never thought it was necessary. Sometimes, I have to sell something I just bought because I do need the money. Even knowing this, most of the decks I sell, I break even or sell for less than what I paid. I'm not rich or well off by any means, but I do like helping people fill holes in their collection, and I don't like making a profit off of the back of the community. It doesn't matter if I bought the deck straight from the designer or paid aftermarket. But that's just me I guess. Oh, and I have best offer on every single listing precisely because it's not about money for me. And those I list as an auction? I start every one at .01¢ Jerry's Nugget? .01¢ Scarlett Tally-Ho set? .01¢ Green Rarebit? .01¢ I was shocked when I ended up getting almost $30 more than I bought it for. But that's what the market said it was worth that day, not what I expected or worried about getting. The Jerry's deck I bought for $600 but only ended up with like $350, so that sucked, but it is what it is. It made someone happy I'm sure. And yes, I may get taken advantage of once in a while, but for the most part, I believe my buyers are just trying to fill holes and not turn around and resell them for a huge profit. And I could also be wrong on that as well, lol. One thing I'm great at is being wrong. I can hang with the best of 'em.

I realize the way I do things isn't the way everybody else does things. I doubt many do. To me, it just seems strange to ask so much money for something if it isn't about money. As I said, he can ask whatever he wants. That's his right. If it is about getting rid of a few decks lying around it's probably not a good idea to ask so much for them it pretty much guarantees they're going to stay right where they are for possibly weeks, months, or years.

Ok, sorry for the rant guys. I've been known to write novels in the comment sections of many social media sites so I better quit now before I start Chapter II.

*If he did pay that much for it, I take back every word I just wrote and I'll pay full price for the deck right now. I'm not too concerned I'll have to do that but hey, at least I'll have my whale. One of them, anyway, lol.

I did just fill a hole in my Lotrek collection which I'm super happy about. I bought a Golden Oath from a member for a bit over $200. I thought that was a great deal so I snagged it.

The hunt continues for the rest...

[Strag]

I really thought we had a policy of not shitting on people's prices in for sale threads. You made it clear you don't agree his pricing and reasoning. Good for you. You don't have to mess up his sale post with your high horse though.

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[akicer]

I have recently purchased three decks from Spectre (after saw the listing on ebay I reached out for some discount). They are expensive(1000+ for three decks) but I believe the price I paid are fair (at least for me). Can I get those for potentially cheaper price? I believe so. Am I okay to pay a little bit more to get the rare decks? Oh yeah...

The decks are in awesome condition and Spectre shipped the decks with great protection, he throw in some freebies and I like those decks as well. Overall I'm very happy with the transaction.

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Regarding the pricing part, I know a friend who's willing to pay a lot (sometimes double the price of a recent done deal on ebay) to complete a series. For example, he paid $350 for a arabesque error decks three months ago while I told him he can get one for no more than half the price if he's patient. He really want the deck and made the deal happen - so people see a "sold" arabesque error deck for $350. Does that mean the market price for that deck is 350 given that there are people willing to pay? Even though this kind of people shows up once a year? Different people has different views obviously.

Reading through the whole thread I saw opinions regarding selling decks for profit or not. I personally do want to sell my decks for profit (and to be honest I'm quite good at it). Those profits help keeping me in this hobby and helps growing my collection, and I'm proud of it.

[Spectre]

One might be a huge whale of yours.

*If he did pay that much for it, I take back every word I just wrote and I'll pay full price for the deck right now. I'm not too concerned I'll have to do that but hey, at least I'll have my whale. One of them, anyway, lol.

There is no way I would ever hold you to this and I'm not sure if my records would be good enough to be considered proof, but I do keep track of every dollar I spend on this obsession of mine.

Here is a screen shot of the email I received from eBay after the purchase. (I know it does not specify the exact price I paid for this deck as there were a few decks ordered at the same time.)

The second image is from eBay that does indicate the dollar amount spent on the deck.

**Edited out some of the personal info as recommended.

Was it a ridiculous price to pay? Maybe, and lot of people clearly think so. But I don't. I thought then and still think now that is about where the deck is valued at. If you find someone that will sell one to you for less than that, I will be the first to congratulate you on an amazing deal.

There seems to be a couple of people that are really bent out of shape about what I'm asking for regarding the pricing of my eBay listings. I fine with that. I don't mind the discussion. I'm not claiming to be the expert by any means. What I have been asking for, is if you have an issue, give me some insight, share your experience what have you seen in the past. Instead I seem to keep making these people more angry. I truly am sorry for that. I am a big fan of constructive feedback. I'm not of fan of people complaining just to complain.

Finally and the reason for this post. I do not lie. I certainly do not like being called out with hints that I'm not telling the truth. I have been absolutely honest in my comments.
(I make no such claim about my poor grammar though).