IndieGoGo - Manic Miner & Jet Set Willy: Playing Cards

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[IndieGoGo]https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mani ... /9291125#/[/IndieGoGo]

FAQ:

Was this campaign previously run on another crowd-funding site? If so, what happened to it?

Yes; this campaign was run on another crowd-funding site in April '19; where it achieved almost 40% of its funding goal by 4pm on its first day. It was then subject to a specious trademark complaint. Unfortunately, the other crowd-funding site doesn't have a robust procedure for dismissing specious trademark complaints. So, although the complaint had no merit, the campaign was 'hidden'. Indiegogo has a more robust procedure for dismissing specious trademark complaints; which we'll use if needed.

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[BaconWise]

I can appreciate the nod to the source material but, as a collector, this isn't a project I feel inclined to support. I'll share a couple of my concerns (keep in mind, I don't speak for everyone on UC):

- MPC. As a printer, MPC is fine but it won't attract many hardcore collectors. Obviously, with a print run of 250 for each design, you don't have many options, but it's a concern.
- Tuck Box. I'm not a huge fan of standard, glossy tuck boxes. These days, I am looking for embossing and a unique design that doesn't just mimic the court cards.
- Repeating Court Cards. You mention there are six designs for the court cards, so I have to assume each deck will have three designs that repeat for each suit. I definitely steer clear of repeating courts, so you might consider drafting some more images but that would likely mean extra fees for licensing, so probably not cost effective. Also, the font stands out as odd on the courts.
- Face Cards & Pips. Your pips are all the same 8-bit portrayal of Manic Miner. Is there an 8-bit version of Jet Set Willy for that deck because it seems like the same pips are used for both illustration examples. Also, numbers and suits completely clash with the 8-bit pips in style. It's very jarring.
- Licensing Issues on Kickstarter. I have to be wary about licensing issues as I see it happen a lot where someone will launch a project without securing the proper rights. I'm not saying you didn't go out there and figure things out properly - just that it increases the odds of having to go through a refund process and never receive the product. I also don't think it's a selling point for me to learn you went with Indie GoGo because they have a better system for fighting licensing complaints. It's not a comforting reason to me.

Overall, this project doesn't speak to me, but I am not the intended audience. I imagine those who are fans of these IPs will likely find it entertaining, but I still see these decks as novelty decks and not as serious nostalgia decks to add to my collection. I wish you luck and hope these details come across as constructive. Cheers

[Harvonsgard]

I miss the days were we had campaigns with only one or two decks and some extra stuff. Nowadays I see too much campaigns with too many decks. This whole strech-goal-extra-decks-thing is turning me off immediatly.

I would never give someone more money, just because he sends another data file to the printer and calls it "an even rarer edition".

[theCapraAegagrus]

I miss the days were we had campaigns with only one or two decks and some extra stuff. Nowadays I see too much campaigns with too many decks. This whole strech-goal-extra-decks-thing is turning me off immediatly.

I would never give someone more money, just because he sends another data file to the printer and calls it "an even rarer edition".

Preach.

[LasVegasCards]

I miss the days were we had campaigns with only one or two decks and some extra stuff. Nowadays I see too much campaigns with too many decks. This whole strech-goal-extra-decks-thing is turning me off immediatly.

I would never give someone more money, just because he sends another data file to the printer and calls it "an even rarer edition".

I agree. This did not seem to resonate with Parlour over here though which is an interesting caveat.

[macstrat]

I miss the days were we had campaigns with only one or two decks and some extra stuff. Nowadays I see too much campaigns with too many decks. This whole strech-goal-extra-decks-thing is turning me off immediatly.

I would never give someone more money, just because he sends another data file to the printer and calls it "an even rarer edition".

[Harvonsgard]

I agree. This did not seem to resonate with Parlour over here though which is an interesting caveat.

"If two people do the same thing, it isn't similar." - is a proverb where I live.
First thing that comes to play is the intention of the creator.
While in this campaign it seems to be nothing but a cash grab (not meant to be offensive, but it just feels like that to me); I truely believe that in the TGW campaign it is an honest "giving back" to the community, from a guy that really is a part of the collectors' community.
Another thing is conception/bias;
Take the virts for example. All their decks are just slightly variations of the same design, yet I never saw anyone complaining or bashing them or calling them out for it. Simply because they are conceived as "the good guys". Fontaine gets flack for the same thing.
A1 gets flack for "lazy designs", yet vanda gets praise for the latest "cambio" design, which is, if you break it down, just 5 lines with a dot and two parts in the corners.

[guru]

I miss the days were we had campaigns with only one or two decks and some extra stuff. Nowadays I see too much campaigns with too many decks.

Those campaigns still happen

[macstrat]

I agree. This did not seem to resonate with Parlour over here though which is an interesting caveat.

"If two people do the same thing, it isn't similar." - is a proverb where I live.
First thing that comes to play is the intention of the creator.
While in this campaign it seems to be nothing but a cash grab (not meant to be offensive, but it just feels like that to me); I truely believe that in the TGW campaign it is an honest "giving back" to the community, from a guy that really is a part of the collectors' community.
Another thing is conception/bias;
Take the virts for example. All their decks are just slightly variations of the same design, yet I never saw anyone complaining or bashing them or calling them out for it. Simply because they are conceived as "the good guys". Fontaine gets flack for the same thing.
A1 gets flack for "lazy designs", yet vanda gets praise for the latest "cambio" design, which is, if you break it down, just 5 lines with a dot and two parts in the corners.

I dont own any of the fontaine decks, because they are overpriced garbage. I have one deck of virtuoso, and they were a gift. I would not spend money on them, but at least some effort was put into them. Nocs are recycled garbage in line with fontains, which I have stated before. Vanda's recent cards show more than a basic effort. There is an art to simplicity, which too many people interpret as laziness. With all of his new designs, as a teacher, I would classify them as experiments in minimalism. They arent everyones cup of tea, but that doesnt mean they are bad. Some like clean (Vanda), some like complicated (S17).

I think a lot of it comes down to practices. TGW is an active part of the community. Vanda is an active part of the community. There is a love of the hobby and craft that you can see in their decks. I think for many people that speaks volumes.

This deck is following bad practice. Its trying to ignoring intellectual property, and it's not that original. At least with virts, there was an effort made to be unique. Which is more than I can say for fontains

[LasVegasCards]

I heard you guys loved you some Fontaines over here

[Harvonsgard]

I heard you guys loved you some Fontaines over here

Sure, they were close to become UC deck of the year 2018
But A1 took the crown! Or was it House of the Rising Spades!? Not so sure anymore /s

But in all seriousness I guess TwoPiece, Roope and I are the only ones admitting our admiration for cardistry decks in here. TwoPiece and Roope mostly do hide their love under a thick layer of sarcasm.

[Räpylätassu]

I just love cardistry decks... the excact same way as the Italians love the French... or how the Republicans love the Democrats... or the way everybody loves getting punched in the face.

[STLBluesNut]

I have some cardistry decks of which I like the design. Most of them are not for me though. I don't consider a rectangle of color, with or without an f on it, much of a design.

I have Sirius B (which I actually keep bugging them for a recolor), 2 versions of Orbits (plan on getting more), the recent Marbles from E, all of the Pollock decks, if you consider Momento Mori or 1st's cardistry, several De'vo decks.

I'm not sure if all of those are technically cardistry decks, but they seem like it to me. I think you will see most of those actually have a design that took more than 5 minutes in photoshop to create.

It's all on a deck by deck basis for me, except NOCs and Fontaines or their look alikes.

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[Harvonsgard]

I lile how this thread is transformed into a “secret” spot for cardistry deck fans at UC...

[LasVegasCards]

I lile how this thread is transformed into a “secret” spot for cardistry deck fans at UC...

Everyone's got their dirty lil secrets.

[LasVegasCards]

2 versions of Orbits

Orbits catch shade here too? Maybe I don't belong after all.

[STLBluesNut]

Not that I have ever seen. Orbits aren't mentioned much that I can recall. I was just pointing out that those are 2 cardistry oriented decks that I own.

Everyone is welcome here. Well, almost everyone lol. Perhaps not if your name is Bill Davis.

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[Harvonsgard]

Bill Davis

Who dat? - Nah, just kidding. One of the best threads ever

Orbits are another example for doing the same thing over and over and not getting called out. It is sometimes weird and funny. I'm just happy that I can appreciate different decks for different reasons. Makes a collection much prettier imo.

[theCapraAegagrus]

I heard you guys loved you some Fontaines over here

Probably the worst series of cards ever recolored 50 times.

[theCapraAegagrus]

I heard you guys loved you some Fontaines over here

But in all seriousness I guess TwoPiece, Roope and I are the only ones admitting our admiration for cardistry decks in here. TwoPiece and Roope mostly do hide their love under a thick layer of sarcasm.

This is getting old really fast.

It's borderline pissing me off. Seriously.

[Decknowledgy]

Probably the worst series of cards ever recolored 50 times.

But the one doing it literally, is NOCs.

[Harvonsgard]

This is getting old really fast.

Just like the same comment about fontaines/A1 over and over again. I mean it is still entertaining, if one can see the irony. And "Muh, lazy design" is starting to become a meme on reddit between cardists. But I guess you'll get the point.

It's borderline pissing me off. Seriously.

It is borderline insane to be pissed of by a joke like that, but I'll stop it for the sake of your wellbeing.

[STLBluesNut]

I can understand the argument that Orbit isn't much different in doing the same thing over and over. They have their circle in the middle with some arc above and below that goes to the edge to form a ribbon or cigar band in fans.

I think the difference is the design of the rest of the deck. Although a few have had an overt space theme, they are all different besides just color. The tuck cases have little treasures on the inside and outside. Ramsay disassembled one and I think and on the bottom glued flaps had a 5 or 6 of 12 on it. Like a little hidden message.

Not sure how to put it into words. Orbits could probably be lumped into the same group of hype decks or repetition but, for me, they are somehow different and don't really get put into those categories here on UC, at least not normally pointed out or singled out for it.


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[Harvonsgard]

I can understand the argument that Orbit isn't much different in doing the same thing over and over. They have their circle in the middle with some arc above and below that goes to the edge to form a ribbon or cigar band in fans.

I think the difference is the design of the rest of the deck. Although a few have had an overt space theme, they are all different besides just color. The tuck cases have little treasures on the inside and outside. Ramsay disassembled one and I think and on the bottom glued flaps had a 5 or 6 of 12 on it. Like a little hidden message.

Not sure how to put it into words. Orbits could probably be lumped into the same group of hype decks or repetition but, for me, they are somehow different and don't really get put into those categories here on UC, at least not normally pointed out or singled out for it.

Just like I wrote, It is all about the perception of the individual observer.
I could go through the list of some of the most celebrated designers and point out recolours and lazy designs, "stolen ideas", revamps and so on. But you will always here that "this is something different". But what should that be good for? Taste isn't objective. Everybody collects what he wants and what pleases his/her taste.

Some people just seem to need to make the same redundant comments everytime. Which I endorse, cause I'm a sucker for irony.

[theCapraAegagrus]

This is getting old really fast.

Just like the same comment about fontaines/A1 over and over again. I mean it is still entertaining, if one can see the irony. And "Muh, lazy design" is starting to become a meme on reddit between cardists. But I guess you'll get the point.

Not really, since they continue to release crap after crap. Once they stop releasing crap we'll stop criticizing them for it. Lazy design is too common and should be criticized. Criticizing criticism? Sounds like supporting silencing.

It's borderline pissing me off. Seriously.

It is borderline insane to be pissed of by a joke like that, but I'll stop it for the sake of your wellbeing.

You can't convey sarcasm in emotionless text, and it's annoying when someone makes backhanded statements about me (and consistently the same thing). I don't want some moron reading your stupid comments about this and then spreading the disinformation to defame my character (intentionally or otherwise). If that wasn't transparent - it is now. UC is not close to the only place that I share opinions and am recognized.

[Harvonsgard]

your stupid comments about this and then spreading the disinformation to defame my character

exaggoration over 9000! I made the joke like 3 or 4 times

No worries about the joke, I wrote I'll stop and I'll do it. I just thought because you are using blunt language yourself, you wouldn't mind if someone pockes fun of your opinion.

Criticizing criticism? Sounds like supporting silencing.

Everybody is free to voice their critisism. It is just redundant, because in this case the "critic" is nothing but a subjective opinion.
If you are on a crusade against decks that are liked by a lot of people, fine too. Just because you don't like them, doesn't make them bad cards, bad designs and they aren't going anywhere.
It is just a bit annoying/lame to see the same old "we against them", "this is better than this"-thing again, again, again and you guessed it, again.

[PipChick]

your stupid comments about this and then spreading the disinformation to defame my character

exaggoration over 9000! I made the joke like 3 or 4 times

No worries about the joke, I wrote I'll stop and I'll do it. I just thought because you are using blunt language, you wouldn't mind if someone pockes fun of your opinion.

Criticizing criticism? Sounds like supporting silencing.

Everybody is free to voice their critisism. It is just redundant, because in this case the "critic" is nothing but a subjective opinion.
If you are on a crusade against decks that are liked by a lot of people, fine too. Just because you don't like them, doesn't make them bad cards, bad designs and they aren't going anywhere.
It is just a bit annoying/lame to see the same old "we against them", "this is better than this"-thing again, again, again and you guessed it, again.

omg, will you lovebirds just kiss and make-up already...

[Harvonsgard]

omg, will you lovebirds just kiss and make-up already...

He doesn't seem to like me *insert crying emoji*

Although we have so much in common... I would love to drink a good Islay Scotch (Ardbeg is on me!) with 2P on his porch and enjoy a thunderstorm together.

[theCapraAegagrus]

Everybody is free to voice their critisism. It is just redundant, because in this case the "critic" is nothing but a subjective opinion.
If you are on a crusade against decks that are liked by a lot of people, fine too. Just because you don't like them, doesn't make them bad cards, bad designs and they aren't going anywhere.
It is just a bit annoying/lame to see the same old "we against them", "this is better than this"-thing again, again, again and you guessed it, again.

It's not redundant. Fontaine 1 gets released. "Okay, crap, but whatever." Fontaine 4 gets released. "Really? I mean it was already 1 crap, but now 4 pieces of the same crap?" After that, the recolors become redundant. There are a finite number of crap-related criticisms you can make for the same crap design being recolored 50 times.

[theCapraAegagrus]

your stupid comments about this and then spreading the disinformation to defame my character

exaggoration over 9000! I made the joke like 3 or 4 times

No worries about the joke, I wrote I'll stop and I'll do it. I just thought because you are using blunt language, you wouldn't mind if someone pockes fun of your opinion.

Criticizing criticism? Sounds like supporting silencing.

Everybody is free to voice their critisism. It is just redundant, because in this case the "critic" is nothing but a subjective opinion.
If you are on a crusade against decks that are liked by a lot of people, fine too. Just because you don't like them, doesn't make them bad cards, bad designs and they aren't going anywhere.
It is just a bit annoying/lame to see the same old "we against them", "this is better than this"-thing again, again, again and you guessed it, again.

omg, will you lovebirds just kiss and make-up already...

I have close to 0 problems with him when he doesn't perpetuate the same unfunny "joke" multiple times... I put my foot down to let him know it's annoying. I'd rather him stop saying stupid s^&* than me continue to be pissed off. Communication is key.