Legal Tender - By Jackson Robinson

[ccralleo]

Easy fix just allow the hologram to be just inside the edge. Like by the smallest amount and I think it will be fine


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[jsantafe]

Is that a Spade I spot on Ben's forehead? Nice easter egg!

[TGunitedcardists]

The feather is a nice touch, but the writing in the background does not have a border nor does the holographic stripe. It can't be used for poker. I might be able to tell if you see an old Franklin being tossed and ppl like to bet real money when playing poker. It's now an Art Deck. A collectors deck if you will.,.

I can't take credit for the feather as it's on the $100 dollar bill. But as for it being disqualified as a usable deck, I would have to disagree. Just because a design element is not inside a border doesn't automatically make it a tell. I have made numerous decks that have an element break the border. Any design element weather a index, pip or holographic foil could be used to spot a card as it flies across the table. The only time it would be unusable is if one of those elements was visible somehow from the back side of the card. Borders are just another design element not a frame or boundary for a design. I would go as far as to say this is one of the most usable decks I have made. I have over 4 different style indexes and suit indicators on each card to help you recognize the card during playing.

It is however still very much an art deck.

It's not about breaking the border, it's about bleeding over the edge. The green, "KING" strips at the top about the K and the orange text that bleeds over on the sides make the deck LESS usable. I think by ending your comment that it's very much an art deck washes out the usability aspect. I'm guessing the cards are 100% finished and you probably don't want to go back to them, but I think it would be a disservice to the cards and the backers.

Suggestion: Remove the "NG" green strip that bleeds across the top and bottom edge and the squeeze the orange text a few millimeters and everyone wins. You've mentioned before that your art is about cards. Those suggestions are important for playability.

[JacksonRobinson]

I think the change makes the design less dynamic but it's an easy enough change to make, and I don't mind making it. Thanks for the thoughts everyone.

[vasta41]

I like it better that way. It doesn't look out of place and seems to flow better. I would say top running for best court cards of the year.

[TGunitedcardists]

I think the change makes the design less dynamic but it's an easy enough change to make, and I don't mind making it. Thanks for the thoughts everyone.

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I like it better that way. It doesn't look out of place and seems to flow better. I would say top running for best court cards of the year.

I agree. Whether you make the change, it's nice that you'd consider it. In the end, I hope you do.

[JacksonRobinson]

The main reason I had the holo strip on the edge was because I was trying to replicate the way the current $100 bill's holo strips placement. However the tweak is totally fine and I'll keep it. I would rather have my cake and eat it to when it comes to haveing a more playable deck.

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[ccralleo]

I'm so excited about these decks!


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[RichK]

Any design element weather a index, pip or holographic foil could be used to spot a card as it flies across the table. The only time it would be unusable is if one of those elements was visible somehow from the back side of the card. Borders are just another design element not a frame or boundary for a design.

The deck can also be unusable if the design element that bleeds to the edge is visible in a stack by the edges as well (these decks are classified as edge readers). For instance, if only the courts get the holo strip treatment and it is visible on the edge, you would be able to tell how many court cards still remained in the stack or if one will be dealt soon. Hopefully this deck doesn't turn into an edge reader.

A classic edge reader deck is the Texan Palmetto deck. The irregular full bleed backs cause patterns in the edges of the deck that can be manipulated by card cheats or magicians to identify certain cards. For example, you can turn rotate just the aces 180 degrees and shuffle them back into the deck and you would be able to tell roughly where they are in a stack by reading the non-conformity in the edge pattern. Jeff Busby has written an entire book called the Secret of the Palmettos where he describes the many ways card cheats or magicians can use the Texan Palmetto deck to spot and identify specific cards by reading the edges of the stacked deck.

@sinjin7,

Can you take a picture of the Texan Palmetto deck so I can see the bleed, especially with the aces turned? I've read about edge bleeds from members but never seen one. Thanks because Google was no help.

[sinjin7]

I've got most of my decks in storage right now so I don't have access to an actual deck right now, but here is a picture from my partial collection on Photobucket that shows the back design. All the leaves that bleed to the edge create a pattern on the edge of the card, and the back isn't a perfectly symmetrical 2-way design, so you can imagine how a rogue card rotated around can stand out in a stack. I don't want to hijack Jackson's thread anymore than I have already, but if you're really interested, you can look up Jeff Busby's book.

[ccralleo]

I think the change makes the design less dynamic but it's an easy enough change to make, and I don't mind making it. Thanks for the thoughts everyone.

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Don't forget to add the July 4th txt to the other half of the card [emoji6][emoji1303]


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[sprouts1115]

Jackson - What I like is the feather sticking out from the border. I like elements that cross traditional lines. Hell, you could put Franklin's head pass the court border and still might make it work, but YOu certainly made the 3 indexes of the indices work. The gold indices put everything in balance.

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I still really hate the small ones. They are horizontal and go against traditional rules, but I think you can see at least 10-13 cards in a hand. You can play poker with these cards.

[vasta41]

With modern playing card innovations it's getting harder and harder not to open some of these new decks because the real focal points are becoming the cards themselves rather than the tucks. I hope/wonder if there will be a display edition here.

[PrincessTrouble]

I think the change makes the design less dynamic but it's an easy enough change to make, and I don't mind making it. Thanks for the thoughts everyone.

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Don't forget to add the July 4th txt to the other half of the card [emoji6][emoji1303]


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Yes, please add the symmetry. And I like the holographic strip placed away from the edge. Nice improvement. Really excited about these cards.

[montecarlojoe]

Would I risk controversy if I said I liked the original better too?

I can see the edge bleeding with the holo strip being an issue (unless all the cads had it), but the contrast between the 4th July text and the stock card colour is so low that it would mitigate any edge bleed issues (plus I really liked the sibtle edge to edge design!)

[Slavich]

Would I risk controversy if I said I liked the original better too?

I can see the edge bleeding with the holo strip being an issue (unless all the cads had it), but the contrast between the 4th July text and the stock card colour is so low that it would mitigate any edge bleed issues (plus I really liked the sibtle edge to edge design!)

I'm with you on that one, I think original version was slightly better.

I know that people would rather have a more playable deck where no one can tell what cards are where in the stack but, and I might be wrong here, as each suit will have different colour background wouldn't that already make this deck exactly what people don't want it to be? Just thinking out loud so might not be making sense here

[Talisman]

Who would actually play with these beautiful cards? I for one would only let my pals play with basic playing cards that wouldn't bother me one bit if they got messed up. No way I'm letting my designer cards get ruined. That's just me.

[PrincessTrouble]

I actually use my cards.

[MagikFingerz]

I also prefer the original. The elements in question on the actual bills aren't limited by borders, so I don't think they should be here either.

[TGunitedcardists]

I also prefer the original. The elements in question on the actual bills aren't limited by borders, so I don't think they should be here either.

Because they are playing cards, not bills.

[MagikFingerz]

I also prefer the original. The elements in question on the actual bills aren't limited by borders, so I don't think they should be here either.

Because they are playing cards, not bills.

I didn't ask why, but okay

Is a small mark on the short edge of the pack really going to be that noticable? If the people you play with would actually try to cheat when playing with slightly marked decks, you need new friends.

[Bikefanatic]

I actually use my cards.

Same here, they're called playing cards for a reason. They should just start selling empty tucks.

[TGunitedcardists]

I also prefer the original. The elements in question on the actual bills aren't limited by borders, so I don't think they should be here either.

Because they are playing cards, not bills.

I didn't ask why, but okay

Is a small mark on the short edge of the pack really going to be that noticable? If the people you play with would actually try to cheat when playing with slightly marked decks, you need new friends.

Yes. Marks or colors spilling over do make a big difference.

It's not about trying to cheat or questionable friends. It's about functionality.

[sinjin7]

With a few rare exceptions, I open and use my decks. I'll always keep at least one sealed for the collection, but all the rest are meant to be used eventually, even "rare" or "limited" decks. One of the primary uses for my decks is good ol Texas Holdem. I am totally clean and honest with my poker play and all my friends I play with are as well. That is precisely the reason why we want unmarked, playable decks - not so much because we're concerned someone is trying to cheat, but because none of us want an unfair advantage. If any one of us notices that the corner of one of the cards (let's say the 7 of diamonds) somehow got creased slightly during shuffling, that player will self report it and announce to the table that he noticed a card got marked and he knows it to be the 7 of diamonds and he'll request that the deck be swapped out because he doesn't want that type of advantage over the rest of us.

At the end of the day, some people will prefer the first version with the holo strip bleeding to the edge, some will prefer the second version with no bleed to the edge. But I will be willing to bet that there won't be anyone out there who will consider the holo strip not bleeding to the edge to be a deal-breaker because (s)he considers the second version to be so unattractive that they will refuse to buy the deck. If Jackson only showed us the second version of the court cards and we never saw the version with the strip bleeding to the edge, we'd still be going nuts over the cards. And if Jackson is able to incorporate an actual real holographic security strip into the cards (as opposed to merely a printed strip designed to simulate a holo strip), I believe the resulting card will absolutely be marked on the edge and very noticeable (and shiny) in a stack, rendering it unusable for card play.

Both versions are great imo, so why not go with the one that's guaranteed to be playable? These are playing cards after all. . .

[TGunitedcardists]

With a few rare exceptions, I open and use my decks. I'll always keep at least one sealed for the collection, but all the rest are meant to be used eventually, even "rare" or "limited" decks. One of the primary uses for my decks is good ol Texas Holdem.

I'm the same. However, buying two or more of each ended a while ago. I've basically turned into the collection+ mode. Lost of the earlier Kickstarter decks, I have a completely wrapped one, unopened and another one (or more) that have been opened or just haven't got around to opening them yet. I don't hesitate to use these cards or just look at the artwork.

When Jackson came out with display decks, it was a no brainer. I really like this idea, as often the tuck is the most expensive part, which is baffling to me.

I think the slowdown happened when Kickstarter added the ability to process the shipping separately. Then the prices went up, by both the printers and the Kickstarter campaigns. Card collecting inflation has risen quite a lot the past few years.

That's a long way of saying, my collection has been streamlined with decks I like and only extra ones are purchased when the art is really good and they are playable.

[Justin O.]

I would just like to say that I like the security strip extending into the bleed.

I would rather see unusual elements that differentiate the design from every other deck on the market, especially when they emulate the source inspiration for the design.
Form, to me, is more important than functionality when I have 300+ functional decks I could use to play poker with, several of them are beautiful, but a small fraction of my collection actually stand out with a unique design, or with design elements that think outside the box so to speak. I hope to see the bleed strip return

[sinjin7]

The design element on the Legal Tender deck that is unusual, unique, and outside the box is the holographic security strip, not the fact that it bleeds to the edge because there are many decks that have elements of the back design that bleed to the edge - nothing special there. So this deck will be differentiated from every other deck in the market by virtue of the holo strip, not whether it bleeds to the edge. I have thousands of decks I can play poker with, but I would like to play poker with the Legal Tender deck as well and would appreciate it to be functional as a deck of cards so I can have that as an option. Its always better to have more options than limiting one self.

If Jackson markets this deck to the Chinese market effectively enough, I can see this KS campaign exploding (not that its not doing well as is). I'm very curious about whether more American or Chinese decks end up being sold. If this campaign blasts past $150K, my bet is on the Chinese deck. ..

[Justin O.]

because there are many decks that have elements of the back design that bleed to the edge - nothing special there.

I can't even think of 20.

I would like to see strip bleed to the edge

[badpete69]

if someone is looking for a legacy let me know

[Justin O.]

Hey guys, I am about to drop a legacy pledge as well, if anyone would like to try and snag it up