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I purchased this from Penguin Magic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZhRdUY4SxA

This series of decks is made by special arrangement with the EPCC and USPCC. After 20 years of research they believe it is not possible, at this time, to make better cards at USPCC. EXPERT predicts that this series of decks will become legendary for serious card handlers. And even though these are NOT a limited edition they cannot guarantee that we will be allowed to make them again in the future.

Why are these cards better?

Printed on the web press, and this is a HUGE deal.

Heat cured which means every deck feels identical, extreme consistency

Thin crushed to 52 cards = about 14.35mm

Traditionally Cut for perfect bottom up and table faros.

Traditional stamp like seal applied to the left for easy opening

And a red WORKING tear strip

don't be fooled by other thin crushed cards, I believe this series of decks to be the best of all time.

54 cards per deck and packed in the classic tuck boxes.

I got a brick of those Tally-Ho's coming from Penguin Magic at the moment so now I'm REALLY looking forward to them! My only concern is if they aren't TOO thin - like B9-slimline is too thin for me.

Can someone post the link for them at Penguin magic? I couldn't find them on their site.

I was talking about these Tallies: https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/13711 but now I see that that's different brand.

What bugs me out is that MagicOrthodoxy says in the YT comments that 90% of the USPCC decks are modern cut. But all my rider backs are traditionally cut and I've just opened a deck of standard bikes (2015, Kentucky) and they are quite evidently traditionally cut as well.

"Most USPCC cards are no longer traditionally cut but sometimes different runs will get a traditional cut for various reasons."
SOURCE: https://customplayingcardblog.wordpress ... cut-cards/

".... they adopted the new cut sometime in the early 1990s, "
SOURCE: http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=2757.0

"The decks were traditionally cut and they were consistently awesome decks of cards. Then, as we all remember, the USPCC changed to the Standards we see today. "
SOURCE: https://www.cardmagicbyjason.com/bicycl ... d-quality/

Mass produced cards from USPCC today in 2020 - ie, all the special decks you see on the shelf at wal-mart - stargazer, hypnosis, architect, asteroid, capital, 1885, cobalt and crimson are all modern cut - any deck printed for someone on kicktsarter is modern cut - UNLESS they ask for traditionally cut. Decks being printed today (not 2015)

if you buy your decks from penguin - or decks that are advertised as "trad cut" then sure - of course they are. But the majority of the 220 thousand decks that BICYCLE prints every day ... are modern cut



Hope that helps

Magic_Orthodoxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:44 am "Most USPCC cards are no longer traditionally cut but sometimes different runs will get a traditional cut for various reasons."
SOURCE: https://customplayingcardblog.wordpress ... cut-cards/

".... they adopted the new cut sometime in the early 1990s, "
SOURCE: http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=2757.0

"The decks were traditionally cut and they were consistently awesome decks of cards. Then, as we all remember, the USPCC changed to the Standards we see today. "
SOURCE: https://www.cardmagicbyjason.com/bicycl ... d-quality/

Mass produced cards from USPCC today in 2020 - ie, all the special decks you see on the shelf at wal-mart - stargazer, hypnosis, architect, asteroid, capital, 1885, cobalt and crimson are all modern cut - any deck printed for someone on kicktsarter is modern cut - UNLESS they ask for traditionally cut. Decks being printed today (not 2015)

if you buy your decks from penguin - or decks that are advertised as "trad cut" then sure - of course they are. But the majority of the 220 thousand decks that BICYCLE prints every day ... are modern cut



Hope that helps

Thanks for clarification!

Magic Orthodoxy, can you give a direct link to these cards for sale at penguin magic?

Bradius wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:02 am Magic Orthodoxy, can you give a direct link to these cards for sale at penguin magic?

Search "Web Press" or "Thin Crush" on P3 and you will get a nice list of web press decks. Alternatively if you search "Experts" or "Expert" you're not going to find them easily. Navigating the P3 search can be a challenge. (Just so much product.) I've spent more than enough hours doing too.

Does the cutting technique mean that they have perfect registration?

Magic_Orthodoxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:14 am After 20 years of research they believe it is not possible, at this time, to make better cards at USPCC.

It took 20 years for them to conclude that?

I just took a some of my USPCC decks with misaligned borders due to poor registration, and I concluded it must be possible to make better cards at USPCC

And it took me less than an hour to conclude that