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Sorry but this design is just fatigue for me, and with a $1000 goal, is De'vo going the TCC way just trying to make the funding percentage look good (now at 447%)?

Look at Kicktraq, the funding was already $3000 at the start line.....

Card Legend De'vo has created the most bold and visual deck ever!

No.

NO

While Im on the fence about these, they just appeal to me aesthetically.

Equality and Justice deck fails while this soars...I...I...I have no words. Sad maybe...sad.

For cardistry being such an aesthetically driven practice it amazes me how remarkably ugly many of the decks are. This is up there with some of the ugliest.

Bradius wrote:Equality and Justice deck fails while this soars...I...I...I have no words. Sad maybe...sad.

$1,000 Funding Goal vs $12,000 Funding Goal...

Well these are just about up there with NOCs and Fontaines as far as recolors go. I feel the way 2pc's avatar feels about these.

Seems high for what they are. Pass.


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vasta41 wrote:Well these are just about up there with NOCs and Fontaines as far as recolors go. I feel the way 2pc's avatar feels about these.

Yes.

vedus wrote:For cardistry being such an aesthetically driven practice it amazes me how remarkably ugly many of the decks are. This is up there with some of the ugliest.

So much this^^^

Backed, i like this deck series a lot, don't forget the purpose of these decks . These are still one of the best looking decks for Cardistry/XCM imo (btw. best deck for fanning DotY 2017 & 3rd place cardistry/flourishing Doty 2018). So much better than the decks Anyone Worldwide, Dealersgrip, Fontaines or many other cardists are releasing. When it comes to fanning there is much more thought in this design then in most other cardistry decks maybe even more than in the Virtuoso decks that many love here.

Btw... lately i feel almost everything on this forum is called crap, s#!t.... and so on that's not from coming from those highly praised designes we all know here... i'm getting tired of this trend

Azid wrote:Btw... lately i feel almost everything on this forum is called crap, s#!t.... and so on that's not from coming from those highly praised designes we all know here... i'm getting tired of this trend

For the first time in his life 2pc is trendy

I like the look of the the kiwis and wilberry decks but this mix is ok. I have to agree there is a lot more design to it than many of the hype decks out there. Not crazy about the invisible courts on black background.

The fans look pretty cool.

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Azid wrote:Backed, i like this deck series a lot, don't forget the purpose of these decks . These are still one of the best looking decks for Cardistry/XCM imo (btw. best deck for fanning DotY 2017 & 3rd place cardistry/flourishing Doty 2018). So much better than the decks Anyone Worldwide, Dealersgrip, Fontaines or many other cardists are releasing. When it comes to fanning there is much more thought in this design then in most other cardistry decks maybe even more than in the Virtuoso decks that many love here.

I don't have anything against De'vo, Handlordz, etc. and I don't have anything against the Cardistry Ninjas decks (except that they stole the design from the 1st annual UC deck tuck case hehe) for what they are. But as you stated, I have not forgotten the purpose of these decks but to me all these recolors are unnecessary for a cardistry deck. I also don't like the recolors in all those other series you mentioned either so it's not like I'm being a hypocrite. Different strokes for different folks I suppose but the reason for my negative comment is that I don't know why another color variation was necessary AND I bet this isn't the last one.

Azid wrote:Btw... lately almost everything on this forum is called crap, s#!t.... and so on that's not from comming from those highly praised designes we all know here... i'm getting tired of this trend

I agree but I actually look at that as a good thing and you should too. 15 years ago there were MANY less custom decks in the market and the bar was waaaaay lower. Being a card collector (or an appropriately appointed "united cardist") I am very happy to see more and more custom decks get created each day. With the influx of addition custom decks comes the influx of good AND bad custom decks. The more decks that are produced (or try to be produced), the more bad decks that are produced.
So while it may seem like there is more negativity on this forum than year ago (and there is), I think it's just due to the fact that there are more decks to criticize nowadays. Which I think is a good thing since it sets a higher standard for deck artists and creates more options for deck collectors. At the end of the day we vote with our wallets. You just have to ignore the noise until you see something you like. That's what I do anyway.

Azid wrote:Btw... lately i feel almost everything on this forum is called crap, s#!t.... and so on that's not from coming from those highly praised designes we all know here... i'm getting tired of this trend

I'm not calling the design worthless, but my rationale is simple: repetition.
This design basically extends from a long line of same design since WTF, Bicycle Cardistry, Ninjas Kiwi, WTF2, Switch, Ninjas Wildberry, where all of these are just color changes. That's why it's unappealing and boring. Not sh*t, but only for loyal followers of De'Vo:

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vasta41 wrote:

Azid wrote:Btw... lately almost everything on this forum is called crap, s#!t.... and so on that's not from comming from those highly praised designes we all know here... i'm getting tired of this trend

I agree but I actually look at that as a good thing and you should too. 15 years ago there were MANY less custom decks in the market and the bar was waaaaay lower. Being a card collector (or an appropriately appointed "united cardist") I am very happy to see more and more custom decks get created each day. With the influx of addition custom decks comes the influx of good AND bad custom decks. The more decks that are produced (or try to be produced), the more bad decks that are produced.
So while it may seem like there is more negativity on this forum than year ago (and there is), I think it's just due to the fact that there are more decks to criticize nowadays. Which I think is a good thing since it sets a higher standard for deck artists and creates more options for deck collectors. At the end of the day we vote with our wallets. You just have to ignore the noise until you see something you like. That's what I do anyway.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

Merlebird wrote:

Azid wrote:Btw... lately i feel almost everything on this forum is called crap, s#!t.... and so on that's not from coming from those highly praised designes we all know here... i'm getting tired of this trend

For the first time in his life 2pc is trendy

It only took 3 years for everyone to catch on...

Azid wrote:Backed, i like this deck series a lot, don't forget the purpose of these decks . These are still one of the best looking decks for Cardistry/XCM imo (btw. best deck for fanning DotY 2017 & 3rd place cardistry/flourishing Doty 2018). So much better than the decks Anyone Worldwide, Dealersgrip, Fontaines or many other cardists are releasing. When it comes to fanning there is much more thought in this design then in most other cardistry decks maybe even more than in the Virtuoso decks that many love here.

Btw... lately i feel almost everything on this forum is called crap, s#!t.... and so on that's not from coming from those highly praised designes we all know here... i'm getting tired of this trend

So I actually own a couple of the decks in this series and several of De'vo's decks. I enjoy an occasionally well done cardistry deck - not the top of my choices of decks, but I'll pick up some of the "better looking" ones (and this is purely subjective - no two people will ever agree on every deck being ugly/good looking). Personally, I find the colors of this deck "unattractive", but my response was much more geared to all of the "cardistry" decks out there that are lazy, boring and for the most part "ugly". I feel these decks are produced by well known cardists and are funded based more on the cardist's reputation and following rather than the quality of the deck. This is a trend that I'm way past tired of

Black faces, very loud colours and overall design make it a very definite ‘no’ for me. They may fan out nicely and may be suitable for cardistry and all but I am a collector so it does nothing for me.

Azid wrote:Backed, i like this deck series a lot, don't forget the purpose of these decks . These are still one of the best looking decks for Cardistry/XCM imo (btw. best deck for fanning DotY 2017 & 3rd place cardistry/flourishing Doty 2018). So much better than the decks Anyone Worldwide, Dealersgrip, Fontaines or many other cardists are releasing. When it comes to fanning there is much more thought in this design then in most other cardistry decks maybe even more than in the Virtuoso decks that many love here.

Btw... lately i feel almost everything on this forum is called crap, s#!t.... and so on that's not from coming from those highly praised designes we all know here... i'm getting tired of this trend

There are certain "rules" for well-made custom decks in general, and there are certain "rules" for well-made cardistry decks. Unfortunately, not many designers have figured out a good blend of both rules. De'Vo has success because he follows all the rules for all aspects of cardistry to optimize visual effects for a variety of types of routines. A lot of people here consistently knocking most cardistry decks don't have an appreciation for the art from or are not knowledgeable of the unique cardistry design rules, so they'll just dismiss cardistry decks because they don't look like anything Lorenzo or Lotrek or Jackson puts out. I feel there is a way to design artistic decks that substitute the prevailing color-blocking schemes (which are so prevalent in cardistry design, unfortunately) with aesthetically beautiful design while still incorporating all the rules for cardistry, but not many high level artists are willing to take on the challenge.

As for re-colors, I don't know why anyone is still complaining about them in 2019 - it's an old marketing ploy that has been financially successful (but not creatively successful) since the start of custom playing cards so it will continue on. It is what it is so there's no real point in complaining at this point. It won't change until enough people vote with their wallets by not buying re-colors anymore so that it is no longer a financially attractive option for lazy designers.

UC has always been a place made up of knowledgeable cardists and collectors, and we call it as we see it. We're not made up of suck-up sycophants like you see a lot at places like the T11 or E forums, for example. There's a value to being critical as long as it's measured and constructive. I know I've been critical, maybe even a bit harsh at times in the past, but it was usually for a constructive purpose for the benefit of the forum and never malicious. But I totally agree with Azid, things have changed from being civilly critical to vapidly vicious too often for my taste recently, which is why I don't swing by much anymore, and I know of some former members who don't come by at all due to the increasing pointless negativity. I get that everyone has an equal voice here and there's freedom of expression, even if it's passed off as petty and juvenile humor. But it's a disturbing trend and I hope we can be better.

I could improve that negativity on my own part by not passing judgment straight away when posting new campaigns on here.

For this one though, there are so much cardistry design and decks that this particular recoloring is not appealing anymore. Moreover, I've never seen any kids or cardists using De'Vo's deck on Instagram nowadays. So is that a coincidence? Last by not least, my most critical point, the KS campaign scheme by using a very low funding goal (which is literally impossible to print that many decks) for more % numbers is pretty sly and TCC-styled, considering a lot of hard-working designs get wrecked not being able to fund because of high printing and shipping cost. I consider this criticism and not negativity.

Decknowledgy wrote:I could improve that negativity on my own part by not passing judgment straight away when posting new campaigns on here.

For this one though, there are so much cardistry design and decks that this particular recoloring is not appealing anymore. Moreover, I've never seen any kids or cardists using De'Vo's deck on Instagram nowadays. So is that a coincidence? Last by not least, my most critical point, the KS campaign scheme by using a very low funding goal (which is literally impossible to print that many decks) for more % numbers is pretty sly and TCC-styled, considering a lot of hard-working designs get wrecked not being able to fund because of high printing and shipping cost. I consider this criticism and not negativity.

Well said

Some people think too highly of themselves and are unable to have a good time. The proverbial Buzz Killington without the wit. While they think their criticisms are "concise", they attempt to criticize others' with backhanded statements about "juvenile" humor.

Get over yourself.

I'd rather laugh off a crappy deck with humor than get truly hypercritical about something that stands no legitimate chance of improvement. I'm not gonna treat every creator like a special little snowflake. Not everyone is fit to be a playing card designer, and not every design is fit to be morphed into a deck of cards, and some of them are not going to learn that if you 'baby' them.