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vasta41 wrote:Pledged! I'm only in for the 2 decks though. That sleeve is cool but a little too expensive for my liking.

Same for me too.

I usually skip sleeves and cases, but I'm going to splurge for the sleeve since I really like the design

That's no sleeve, that's a tuck box.

Honestly, I don't really like the two standard tuck boxes, but the double box is really cool. I got the Pinocchio one and it looks really nice.

Thank you guys for supporting our project!

After seeing the Aces I wasn't sure what to think about the deck(s). Now, after seeing it all together I'm nothing short but amazed. Very well done project. The tuck boxes and the back designs are my favourite part.

Too monotonous for me. If you're gonna go that way, though, it's good to have that detailed artwork.

Guys and gals, GO PLEDGE FOR THIS BEAUTY! It's $2K away from being printed by USPCC and although I LOATHE their registration, a deck of this quality cannot be printed by WJPC, I just won't stand for it. HELP PASSIONE REACH THAT GOAL!

hoping for uspcc, though am I the only one who likes Cartamundi more? From what I've heard they have the same quality or better as USPCC and less registration. Then again I don't know much. Also is there a cost difference in USPCC and Cartamundi?

Hey guys, I noticed that the artsy style is very much appreciated by a niche of collectors, but maybe other would fancy a "player's edition" with more standard courts. What do you think of the following images?

Thanks for your comments!

PiazzaDelivery wrote:Guys and gals, GO PLEDGE FOR THIS BEAUTY! It's $2K away from being printed by USPCC and although I LOATHE their registration, a deck of this quality cannot be printed by WJPC, I just won't stand for it. HELP PASSIONE REACH THAT GOAL!

PiazzaDelivery, do you have our Equality - Integrity - Justice decks? We printed them with WJPC and, the handling is very good indeed.

OVSUB wrote:hoping for uspcc, though am I the only one who likes Cartamundi more? From what I've heard they have the same quality or better as USPCC and less registration. Then again I don't know much. Also is there a cost difference in USPCC and Cartamundi?

YES.
Cartamundi costs more - usually.

Recently business contacts with them have been VERY difficult, I don't know why but just having a quote seems to be a hurdle.

They are convenient when going with coldfoil.

I see thanks for letting me know! <3

Dear friends, the campaign strategy has been updated, the new deck added , here you can find an image of some cards, of course they have a different style but they still have the references to the main theme.

Did I read correctly in that last update that even though the USPCC stretch goal had been reached that you're still printing the Antica and Nova decks with WJPC?

vasta41 wrote:Did I read correctly in that last update that even though the USPCC stretch goal had been reached that you're still printing the Antica and Nova decks with WJPC?

Yes, we were monitoring the campaign and .. even if the 20k goal would have been reachable, it was lingering for too many days. Now we think that the new deck can attract new backers and give us more "juice" to propose an updated stretch goal for USPCC printing also for Nova and Antica.

vasta41 wrote:Did I read correctly in that last update that even though the USPCC stretch goal had been reached that you're still printing the Antica and Nova decks with WJPC?

I'm not a native speaker, so I'm not sure I'm getting it right, anyway the USPCC stretch goal has never been reached and, in our estimates, it would have never been.

I understand. I wish that were not the case because I really don't want these printed with WJPC. But just like with the Liberty and Justice decks, I guess it's better the cards exist printed by a lesser printer than not exist at all.

We need more backers to make it happen, it's still in our plans, but now we really want to see if this move makes the difference. We had some feedbacks, also here, that the two decks were too "artsy" and appealing a niche inside a niche. Maybe this strategy will move the waters (I don't know if it sounds correct in English).

I really like the new players edition box design, but I as hoping they would have the same cards. I think I understand why you went with different card designs though.

I'm sorry to say that I just dropped my pledge because of the choice of printer...

Wait a second, is there a new stretch goal scale? I didn't see anything on the Kickstarter page. Is there no amount of pledge money that will see Nova, Antica, and Aeterna printed by the USPCC?

Conturbia wrote:

PiazzaDelivery wrote:Guys and gals, GO PLEDGE FOR THIS BEAUTY! It's $2K away from being printed by USPCC and although I LOATHE their registration, a deck of this quality cannot be printed by WJPC, I just won't stand for it. HELP PASSIONE REACH THAT GOAL!

PiazzaDelivery, do you have our Equality - Integrity - Justice decks? We printed them with WJPC and, the handling is very good indeed.

I do indeed have a couple of the Integrity decks and I don't think the handling is comparable to the big boys, but that is simply my opinion.

I'm sorry to say that I will be retracting my pledge if these decks are not printed by the USPCC. I hold no ill will to Passione whatsoever, they are entitled to do what is best for them, but I am quite disappointed as I was very excited for this deck. It's too bad, because I believe that they would have hit that 20K goal and I would've made sure of it if it was close. Was already in for over $150 too.

I've increased my pledge for the PE deck, hoping the project will reach the stretch goal so all decks will be printed by USPCC. If it doesn't I'll have to think hard if I keep the pledge, unfortunately. Wish you good luck!

Guys, we will update the stretch goal table ASAP and the next stretch will be printing with USPCC. Just a couple of clarifications:

1) we didn't change the printer: it was with WJPCC since the beginning until we touched 20k. We arrived roughly at $500 from the goal before introducing the PE and with the increase rate we had, we estimated it could backfire. Of course, it was our evaluation, but we didn't change the printer.

2) we introduced the PE (it was the 30k goal) to help fuel up the campaign. the PE is printed since the beginning with USPCC.

3) we fully understand that you prefer a printer over the other if you want you can buy the PE or drop your pledge. Of course, dropping your pledge won't help to reach the next goal, but that's entirely your choice no grudge.

4) we have some experience in running campaigns, we already had the backfire problem and we already had great expectations not converted in backers. I wish this project reached the 20k goal in the first week, but this didn't happen, probably it appeals to a smaller audience. We hope to turn tables with the PE, that's our strategy, that's all.

EvilDuncan wrote:I really like the new players edition box design, but I as hoping they would have the same cards. I think I understand why you went with different card designs though.

We are trying to attract a new type of backer, that's why the cards are different. If the were the same other people would have complained it was only a different box.

24k for USPCC everything, and last I checked, they're at 21.2k with 6 days left.

I really really really hope they make it.

Fingers crossed...

Conturbia wrote:Guys, we will update the stretch goal table ASAP and the next stretch will be printing with USPCC. Just a couple of clarifications:

1) we didn't change the printer: it was with WJPCC since the beginning until we touched 20k. We arrived roughly at $500 from the goal before introducing the PE and with the increase rate we had, we estimated it could backfire. Of course, it was our evaluation, but we didn't change the printer.

2) we introduced the PE (it was the 30k goal) to help fuel up the campaign. the PE is printed since the beginning with USPCC.

3) we fully understand that you prefer a printer over the other if you want you can buy the PE or drop your pledge. Of course, dropping your pledge won't help to reach the next goal, but that's entirely your choice no grudge.

4) we have some experience in running campaigns, we already had the backfire problem and we already had great expectations not converted in backers. I wish this project reached the 20k goal in the first week, but this didn't happen, probably it appeals to a smaller audience. We hope to turn tables with the PE, that's our strategy, that's all.

Thanks Richard for the clarification. I think you are doing whatever is necessary and required here given you are closer to the details like funding required , expenses incurred etc. You have also learned your lessons around the backfire problem so, be it wjpc etc., you will always find great support from the community.

yeaaahhhhh...

it's not going to happen.

I'm out

Folks should really ask themselves what is the purpose for backing this project... Is is for gameplay? Or is it for the art? If you're looking for gameplay and messing around with the cards, it's understandable backing out, or not even considering backing because USPCC WAS A STRETCH GOAL. But if you were drawn in by the art from the beginning, why aren't you giving WJPC a chance? Besides, it's proven several times already that WJPC COULD produce high quality handling cards that's on par or just a little subpar of USPCC. It's not like WJPC is as bad as NPCC in terms of handling.

Rating the quality of handling, mainly fanning, I'd say this: Cartamundi ≧ USPCC > EPCC ≧ WJPC >>>>>>>>> NPCC.
If it's art precision: WJPC ≒ NPCC ≒ EPCC > Cartamundi ≧ USPCC.

Come on... get out of the stereotype that cards "are literally unusable without UsPcC."

Decknowledgy wrote:If it's art precision: WJPC ≒ NPCC ≒ EPCC > Cartamundi ≧ USPCC.

Cartamundi just little better/equal to USPC?

*raises eyebrow*