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Hey, Kevork, I haven't received mine yet, either. Did you receive a tracking number? (I did not.)

How about the rest of y'all? It's encouraging to see that some folks started receiving their decks a week ago. Hopefully that's a good sign for the rest of us....

rousselle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:44 am Hey, Kevork, I haven't received mine yet, either. Did you receive a tracking number? (I did not.)

How about the rest of y'all? It's encouraging to see that some folks started receiving their decks a week ago. Hopefully that's a good sign for the rest of us....

I see mine is on a truck for delivery today. (In the US) I did receive a tracking number for this shipment. I actually did not for the previous one. I confirmed with Lotrek that he did indeed ship it, but we dont know why tracking didnt go out. It just showed up. I usually get tracking, but for some reason, it clearly doesnt always happen.

Same here, USA, got tracking and it's out for delivery. It also shows up in USPS informed delivery so you can register and/or check there

rousselle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:44 am Hey, Kevork, I haven't received mine yet, either. Did you receive a tracking number? (I did not.)

How about the rest of y'all? It's encouraging to see that some folks started receiving their decks a week ago. Hopefully that's a good sign for the rest of us....

I received an email from Deutsche Post on January 13th for an Oath package. It's currently in a NY distribution center so I anticipate I'll likely get it next week. It's odd some people in the US are already receiving theirs and mine just got out of customs yesterday. Perhaps he shipped over the course of a few days.

The time it takes for things to get through customs feels very random. I've seen things get cleared in a day and other things take weeks.

I received my decks today. I didn't open my Redemption VIV deck yet...................

As for the white Charmers deck, it could've been less than 30 Euros. Backs are plain, silver gilding and metallic inks on the faces. On Kickstarter first relreased, the green and purple decks were $16, half the price, with cold foil/metalluxe and shinier inks.

To me this Redemption Deck VIV is a disaster in every way.
If i understand correct..
1.) Silver and Gold Patreons get 1 of 190 decks Gold on Gold, without getting a chance to get a Silver/Gold deck
2.) Maniac and Asylum Patreons get 1 of 60 decks Silver on Gold, without getting a chance to get a Gold/Gold deck
aside for both tiers paying high prices at after/secondary market to get more decks or the other deck.

So basically Patreons get split up in 2 categories: in higher and lower "collectors//fans/investors...." which is a bad decision without any clarification by a random/surprising decision.
I understand that Lotrek maybe wants to reward higher tiers with more rare decks, but as a gold patreon myself for 4,5 years i would expect to have at least a chance to get my hands of every deck released. Also Maniac and Asylum want to get the/have not the chance to get the Gold on Gold deck. As a true collector i want to get at least 1 deck of each version....
Don't know how any other patreons think about this but i'm furious that i miss out a deck as a long time supporter.

Aswell also wondering about this decision from a creator/financially/business view. In my naive point of view i would try to make some money to cover all the reprint costs (White Patreon deck/ Mystery III & many more past time projects... ) by giving my loyal clients at least the chance to buy one or more than one of the every new deck.
Maybe i'm completely wrong but i don't think it makes that much a difference if you print 60 or 200 of a deck / 190 or 500+ for a deck in comparison the time+effort+money you invest to make one deck in relation how much you can make out of it.

To be honest after this issue and all delay's i'm glad that this Patreon thing ends soon and we get back to regular sales on Oath website releases or Kickstarter projects where you can choose what and how much you want. Of course this will have the negative aspect of "first comes - first serves".

What do you think about this ?

What you describe seems far from ideal. Does seem an odd decision especially knowing there are Lotrek completionists out there and they have supported him consistently for a very long time.

Ye I'm in complete agreement. I think it was a massively weird decision and I'm not even a Lotrek completionist. It's like, here are the people who waited for 4 years for your stuff, you get a free deck, and here are the people who also waited 4 years, you get a rarer better deck. But also the people who are paying more still can't get both, and the people paying less also can't get both.

I think the right thing would have been to give everyone who is waiting for the start both decks. Short of that, if he wanted to give higher tiers the rarer deck, then everyone in any tier should have been allowed to buy the deck they didn't get for free. The other option that has been mentioned is the free decks would be redemption tuck decks, and the decks people would be allowed to buy would come without redemption tucks or numbering to differentiate them from the rarer gifts. But he created a situation where there are no winners and everyone is missing one of the decks.

I left a comment on that post and also messaged him. Haven't heard back. I really do hope he reconsiders.

Friend of mine sent me this. I assume this is an incorrect numbering as well?

I joined the second year and it seems quite fitting that year 1 patreons receive something I do not.

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:16 am I joined the second year and it seems quite fitting that year 1 patreons receive something I do not.

The issue is all year 1 patreons aren't receiving all decks from supporting him. Year 1 lower tiers aren't getting the rarer gift, and year 1 higher tiers aren't getting the lesser gift. Nothing to do with what year you joined.

That’s a hot mess - I’m sure he meant well, but pretty hard pill to swallow - higher ups getting the lessor as well would have been the most logical.

Disappointing

I'm not bothered by it, his reasoning makes sense to me. But then it also doesn't affect me and I tend to think the whole completionist thing is a bit weird.

The two different backs

Controversy aside, the backs are amazing.

Can’t say I agree Mulrich. Maybe it’s better in person but I’m underwhelmed based on the photos. Certainly the all gold is too much.

Fenrir wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:06 pm Maybe it’s better in person

It's not . very monochrome

Edit: it's still nice just much harder to see the details compared to the gold / silver one

Neither are to my taste as I even prefer B&W to bling, so I tend to think I have been saved from a lot of Lotrek heartache (A top designer who seems to be a very average businessman)

bdawg923 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:53 pm The two different backs

Ngl first time I like the GoG over Silver

bdawg923 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 4:31 pm DisappointingIMG_8127.jpeg

Disappointing for sure. I am 1 x Asylum 2 x Gold , Im think he is only counting this year’s subscription so someone who spent less than me will be considered a higher tier ? Like 1 x Silver and 1 x Maniac ? This whole thing is bad imo , there shouldn’t be any difference for Patrons . I am with bdawg on this one , this is a self caused problem, now I’ve to chase the other deck (I am not sure which one I will get but most likely GoG) . I’m also seeing this sentiment amongst other Patrons of missing out an edition. Some other Patrons also said they will be emailing Lotrek , hopefully this gets sorted.

Can someone clear up the latest Patreon post? We have Qalif which isn't Mystery III? And Mystery III will have different stock, AoS, Jokers, back design, and name?

So Qalif is somewhere in between Mystery III: Craft Edition and Mystery III (perhaps a different name)?

Either way, I'm happy for another free deck

KGthePrince wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 11:31 am Can someone clear up the latest Patreon post? We have Qalif which isn't Mystery III? And Mystery III will have different stock, AoS, Jokers, back design, and name?

So Qalif is somewhere in between Mystery III: Craft Edition and Mystery III (perhaps a different name)?

Either way, I'm happy for another free deck

Was wondering the same thing.

Appears the official Mystery III will use the same court cards but everything else will be different.

Not sure how Qalif differs from the Mystery Crafts (Redemption VIII) deck though?

KGthePrince wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 11:31 am Can someone clear up the latest Patreon post? We have Qalif which isn't Mystery III? And Mystery III will have different stock, AoS, Jokers, back design, and name?

So Qalif is somewhere in between Mystery III: Craft Edition and Mystery III (perhaps a different name)?

Either way, I'm happy for another free deck

Mystery III as per recent update is now an entirely different deck and these will be considered Qalif Series , so Mystery still remains .

I dont think its in between as Lotrek in comments says to consider Qalif as an independent deck , so it will be Qalif series which includes Mystery Craft and Qalif Deck

JacksandJokers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 11:45 am

KGthePrince wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 11:31 am Can someone clear up the latest Patreon post? We have Qalif which isn't Mystery III? And Mystery III will have different stock, AoS, Jokers, back design, and name?

So Qalif is somewhere in between Mystery III: Craft Edition and Mystery III (perhaps a different name)?

Either way, I'm happy for another free deck

Was wondering the same thing.

Appears the official Mystery III will use the same court cards but everything else will be different.

Not sure how Qalif differs from the Mystery Crafts (Redemption VIII) deck though?

From the images it seems there is more contrast in the foiling and it looks better imo . It seems back is full bleed foiled in Qalif.

he means the artwork for all but the courts nearest I can tell - looked good enough for me to grab an extra deck along with the gift deck…

So essentially what Lotrek had planned to be Mystery III (Qalif was the official name chosen even back in July when I met him), he is now changing. Some may be upset by this, but the fact that you can get one for free to hold you over should hopefully help.

Qalif has considerably more gold foil and less of the maroon-like card stock showing like on the Mystery Craft edition. So Qalif is a refined version of Mystery Craft, but he's now making a completely different deck except with similar courts, and calling that Mystery III.

bdawg923 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:53 pm The two different backs

Anyone who received x/60 can confirm? I'm curious if the loose cards are in fact gold/silver or if this is different than the Redemption version.

JacksandJokers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 11:45 am Not sure how Qalif differs from the Mystery Crafts (Redemption VIII) deck though?

Since he's redoing the Mystery deck, I wish he'd do custom courts for it and use foil for it also. Since he says he wants to make it as perfect as possible. The courts are the main thing holding this deck back.

New customs designs and making it as perfect as possible feels like a guaranteed delay until 2031