Bicycle Aurora

[CBJ]

Coming soon...






CBJ

[jerichoholic]

Looks pretty nice.

[Bikefanatic]

I wouldn't be surprised if it looked like a yellow version Belleeza deck, if that got funded.

[Bikefanatic]

"100% hand drawn artwork and custom pips"

[jerichoholic]

This has launched today.

[farmisen]

[Räpylätassu]

+ Collectable finally does embossing with the box, instead of a boring ass plain one.
+ Jokers are very good work.
+ Custom pips
+ Ace of Spades is quite nice.

------Boring courts

No need for me to get one, with better courts I might have gotten one from a reseller later on.

[Bikefanatic]

Deck would be better for me if they were all one color or the other without alternating the two.

[jerichoholic]

They have done embossing before, at least with the US Presidents Deluxe deck.

[shermjack]

Deck would be better for me if they were all one color or the other without alternating the two.

Couldn't agree more...actually, the color scheme (gold for courts and silver for numbers) is what is turning me off about this deck...pass

[vasta41]

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[theCapraAegagrus]

Now available on the Bicycle website for $7 plus shipping: https://www.shopbicyclecards.com/Bicycl ... -P381.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Original backers got robbed...

[vasta41]

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Original backers got robbed...

With all the KS shenanigans going on lately, NOTHING pisses me off more than that. It's the biggest slap in the face that I can think of when someone pledges for a deck that otherwise wouldn't exist without their help or hard-earned money and the designer rewards them by selling it (or allowing it to be sold) cheaper in the aftermarket. Disgusting.

[theCapraAegagrus]

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Original backers got robbed...

With all the KS shenanigans going on lately, NOTHING pisses me off more than that. It's the biggest slap in the face that I can think of when someone pledges for a deck that otherwise wouldn't exist without their help or hard-earned money and the designer rewards them by selling it (or allowing it to be sold) cheaper in the aftermarket. Disgusting.

I agree. Re-selling for less on the aftermarket is the biggest dick punch that a creator can give you. This usually seems to be the case with CPC decks, though. I almost always see their playing cards available cheaper after the campaign. Makes no sense to me why anyone would bother pledging on Kickstarter.

[Bradius]

I don't think it upsets me really that decks end up cheaper in the aftermarket. If a deck is just not popular and the creator had to also put their money up to get a large enough print run, or reduce their profits to meet a minimum run, then yeah there is extra inventory. If I was them and I couldn't move it for more than what I sold it for on kickstarter, I would dump it too to get some more revenue from the project. That is reality. Now, I would definitely agree with you that it would be wrong if they said that they are only printing to fill Kickstarter, and then they dumped tons in the after-market.

So, if you are backing a deck on Kickstarter that you don't think will be hugely popular and it looks like the creator will have to print more decks to make a minimum run with someone like USPCC, expect that it will likely eventually be cheaper later. It happens a lot. That is why sometimes I am learning myself to not back some decks. Some I back that fit this scenario anyway (Strigiformes and the new Silverbacks decks as examples) that may be available cheaper in the aftermarket because I want to see the decks made. Getting some of these decks printed is something I like to see happen, even if I don't get the best "deal" on them. Call me a patron of the playing card arts if you will.

I sure don't do it for the money or the prestige.

Neo:Wave classic and Snake Oil I can get for $7.70. Middle Kingdom Silver and Gold and Bicycle Cinema for $7.66. Robinson's Liberty Red and Blue for $3.81.

[vasta41]

I don't think it upsets me really that decks end up cheaper in the aftermarket. If a deck is just not popular and the creator had to also put their money up to get a large enough print run, or reduce their profits to meet a minimum run, then yeah there is extra inventory. If I was them and I couldn't move it for more than what I sold it for on kickstarter, I would dump it too to get some more revenue from the project. That is reality. Now, I would definitely agree with you that it would be wrong if they said that they are only printing to fill Kickstarter, and then they dumped tons in the after-market.

I chalk that up to bad KS management and lack of calculations. If a KS creator doesn't do math beforehand then that's not a good sign. When creating tiers they should be equal (or lower) to the MSRP after the decks are printed. Having extra inventory is a given more often than not and should be expected so I have no sympathy for the scenario you painted. I'm all for deck designers making money but not at a cost to the very collectors that helped make their dream a reality.

So, if you are backing a deck on Kickstarter that you don't think will be hugely popular and it looks like the creator will have to print more decks to make a minimum run with someone like USPCC, expect that it will likely eventually be cheaper later. It happens a lot. That is why sometimes I am learning myself to not back some decks. Some I back that fit this scenario anyway (Strigiformes and the new Silverbacks decks as examples) that may be available cheaper in the aftermarket because I want to see the decks made. Getting some of these decks printed is something I like to see happen, even if I don't get the best "deal" on them. Call me a patron of the playing card arts if you will.

That is not the purpose of KS! It has become that way over time but if I may quote KS itself, "Kickstarter is not a store." With a few exceptions (De'vo, JR, CPC, etc.) people should be using KS to fund projects that they can't afford themselves. Without help some never get funded and therefore won't exist in the aftermarket for you to purchase. I guess I just disagree with your collecting and KS pledging strategy.

[Bradius]

Vasta, if we follow your position to its end, here is where we end up:

1) Playing card creators that really don't need the platform to create decks, JR, Lorenzo, Alex, Gio and several others - should not use Kickstarter because they are not really start-up ventures. Ban their projects and buy them directly from them. - I think the creators (among others) would take issue. Kickstarter sure doesn't want to stop them. More revenue for them. I can guess that creators would sure do a lot less decks as they would not want to take the financial risk. Some, like Theory II would agree as they are part of the group that don't use Kickstarter to sell their new decks, which you can get in Walmart and other places (which I am fine with).

2) Many playing card decks wouldn't see the light of day in that they can't get the numbers to work without putting their own money into the production of the decks. The kickstarter backers for some reason don't back it enough. Sunish is an example of this. It wasn't bad planning on his part, it was that some backing was better than none at all. This is especially an issue for the folks that don't fit into the #1 category above.

What you are left with is those that are not so great that they don't need kickstarter to sell their decks, but big enough that they can use kickstarter to fully fund their project. I think that really limits things.

All that said. I do (I do) get your frustration when you back a project and put out say $15 or $20 for a deck, only to see it a few years later in the discount bin for $3. I am betting that the creator doesn't like that any more than you do. They would like nothing more than their decks that went on eBay to sell in the aftermarket for $150+, so their next Kickstarter decks could raise, oh I don't know, say somewhere around $564,558.

[flyers3003]

There is a reason I never back any CPC decks anymore. I can always get them at a cheaper price from retail - usually through PenguinMagic.

[vasta41]

Vasta, if we follow your position to its end, here is where we end up:

1) Playing card creators that really don't need the platform to create decks, JR, Lorenzo, Alex, Gio and several others - should not use Kickstarter because they are not really start-up ventures. Ban their projects and buy them directly from them. - I think the creators (among others) would take issue. Kickstarter sure doesn't want to stop them. More revenue for them. I can guess that creators would sure do a lot less decks as they would not want to take the financial risk. Some, like Theory II would agree as they are part of the group that don't use Kickstarter to sell their new decks, which you can get in Walmart and other places (which I am fine with).

2) Many playing card decks wouldn't see the light of day in that they can't get the numbers to work without putting their own money into the production of the decks. The kickstarter backers for some reason don't back it enough. Sunish is an example of this. It wasn't bad planning on his part, it was that some backing was better than none at all. This is especially an issue for the folks that don't fit into the #1 category above.

What you are left with is those that are not so great that they don't need kickstarter to sell their decks, but big enough that they can use kickstarter to fully fund their project. I think that really limits things.

All that said. I do (I do) get your frustration when you back a project and put out say $15 or $20 for a deck, only to see it a few years later in the discount bin for $3. I am betting that the creator doesn't like that any more than you do. They would like nothing more than their decks that went on eBay to sell in the aftermarket for $150+, so their next Kickstarter decks could raise, oh I don't know, say somewhere around $564,558.

1) I never said JR, Lorenzo, etc. shouldn't use KS. It's obviously a far reaching platform and even though some of those people may be able to self-fund projects they actively choose not to and pay the KS fees as a trade-off for a broader audience. I guess I should stipulate that when the aforementioned creators have very low funding goals (i.e. De'vo's most recent project) that could otherwise be self-funded THAT'S what shouldn't be allowed. There's obviously no real way of even knowing so it is what it is I guess but that's starting to deviate from my main point.
2) Like I said, extra inventory should be expected when designing a deck. I'm sure it's every deck designers goal to sell out but it's unwise to think that IMO. Also, I've always been an advocate for starting small and setting stretch goals for better printers. I for one am a believer in "it's better to have your deck printed by a lesser printer than not printed at all."

Overall my point is that you sometimes cannot control the aftermarket. But when a creator knowingly sells a deck for less than the KS price they risk a tainted reputation that I would never want on me.

[akicer]

regarding the point that CPC's decks sold at a lower price after KS, hmm that reminds me the Chinese CPC - Bocopo

I bought some masterpiece decks because I do like those decks, and Bocopo is sending those decks out for FREE after KS on taobao if you purchase like $10 decks on their site. Same thing apply to a lot of their other KS decks.

[Bikefanatic]

I bought these at Walgreens earlier this year for $3.99!

[montenzi]

Neo:Wave classic and Snake Oil I can get for $7.70.

yes 0.4 cheaper than KS Actually it's Penguinmagic's style. They sell with $1-1.5 profit on top of wholesale from MM. Next time I'll use conditions (Minimum Advertised Price) . With MAP in place nobody can sell decks cheaper than MAP (these MM's conditions are strict) Penguins offer their own decks with MAP...
p.s. will be happy to buy the Blue Ultra below the KS price. Don't have a single sealed copy

[Bradius]

Lol. I need another Ultra set too. My opened deck is covered in drool.