Stockholm17 Anthology by Lorenzo Gaggiotti

[laitostarr777]

In Summary:

• Standard and Standard REJECTED will be available to the public (and can be also be obtained through Patreon, during Patreon sale).
• Limited and Limited REJECTED will ONLY be available in Patreon (not available outsite Patreon, except eBay).
• The "approved" design will be deep black background
• The "rejected" design will be bluish grey background
• The cards for Limited are gilded in red foil.
• Limited REJECTED has plain white tuck box, but still contains the gilded cards.
• Tuck boxes for both Editions are designed to imitate their respective book editions = so like how the Limited Ed. book has a metal enamel attachment, so as the deck's tuckbox.

PS: For those who HAVEN'T get the book yet.... good news, if you decided to get it now, the Anthology Standard deck comes with it for FREE

[manu]

Opened the standard deck today:

Great pics Timmargh! Do you mind if I upload one to the gallery on deck collect?

[Timmargh]

Great pics Timmargh! Do you mind if I upload one to the gallery on deck collect?

Not at all; go ahead.

[Honeybee]

I wondered how Lorenzo would represent the Hourglass decks but I see the KoD in Tim's pic

[laitostarr777]

I've made a gallery walkthrough to every cards in the Anthology Deck:
https://imgur.com/a/HCYX1tv

Stockholm17 Journey in Playing Cards (2013-2023)

• Spades
  • Ace (A) = The House of the Rising Spade, Cartomancer (2018)
  • Two (2) = The Notorious Gambling Frog, ALL* (2021-2023)
  • Three (3) = Heretic, ALL* (2014)
  • Four (4) = 52+Joker 2021 Club Deck (2021)
  • Five (5) = The Odd Fellows X P52, ALL* (2021)
  • Six (6) = Gemini, ALL* (2016)
  • Seven (7) = The Eye of the Ocean Vol. 1, Solis/Lunae/Quartermaster (2020-2021)
  • Eight (8) = No. 17 Playing Cards, ALL* (2015)
  • Nine (9) = The House of the Rising Spade, Cartomancer (2018)
  • Ten (10) = The Eye of the Ocean Vol. 2, Gibborim/Malakim/Nephilim/Windwatcher (2023-2024)
  • Jack (J) = The House of the Rising Spade, Cartomancer (2018)
  • Queen (Q) = Heretic, ALL* (2014)
  • King (K) = The Eye of the Ocean Vol. 2, Gibborim/Malakim/Nephilim/Windwatcher (2023-2024)
• Hearts
  • Ace (A) = The Eye of the Ocean Vol. 1, Solis/Lunae/Quartermaster (2020-2021)
  • Two (2) = The Odd Fellows Madame Laveau (2023)
  • Three (3) = The House of the Rising Spade, Faro (2018)
  • Four (4) = The Parlour by The Gentleman Wake, ADD** (2019)
  • Five (5) = No. 17 Le Chat Rouge (2015)
  • Six (6) = RAVN V3 Playing Cards, ADD** (2018)
  • Seven (7) = Solitaire17, XXL Index Red (2023)
  • Eight (8) = The House of the Rising Spade, Cartomancer (2018)
  • Nine (9) = Gemini, ALL* (2016) !
  • Ten (10) = Black Requiem, Counterspell (2022)
  • Jack (J) = Heretic, Noctis (2014)
  • Queen (Q) = Requiem, ALL* (2013-2014) +
  • King (K) = Gemini, ALL* (2016)
• Clubs
  • Ace (A) = The Eye of the Ocean Vol. 2, Gibborim/Malakim/Nephilim/Windwatcher (2023-2024)
  • Two (2) = The Odd Fellows The Dude, Golden Snowflake (2024)
  • Three (3) = The 17th Kingdom, ALL* (2022-2023)
  • Four (4) = The Odd Fellows Madame Laveau (2023)
  • Five (5) = The Odd Fellows X P52, ALL* (2021)
  • Six (6) = The Eye of the Ocean Vol. 1, Solis/Lunae/Quartermaster (2020-2021)
  • Seven (7) = Gemini, ALL* (2016)
  • Eight (8) = Requiem, ALL* (2013-2014)
  • Nine (9) = No. 17 Le Chat Rouge (2015)
  • Ten (10) = No. 17 Playing Cards, ALL* (2015)
  • Jack (J) = The Odd Fellows Madame Laveau (2023)
  • Queen (Q) = Black 17 Playing Cards (2020)
  • King (K) = The House of the Rising Spade, Cartomancer (2018)
• Diamonds
  • Ace (A) = Gemini, ALL* (2016)
  • Two (2) = NetEnt Playing Cards (2012)
  • Three (3) = Requiem, ALL* (2013-2014) +
  • Four (4) = The Odd Fellows X P52, Uncle Tibia (2021)
  • Five (5) = The Notorious Gambling Frog, ALL* (2021-2023)
  • Six (6) = No. 17 Playing Cards, ALL* (2015)
  • Seven (7) = Heretic, Lux (2014)
  • Eight (8) = NetEnt Playing Cards (2012)
  • Nine (9) = The Odd Fellows Madame Laveau (2023)
  • Ten (10) = The House of the Rising Spade, Faro (2018)
  • Jack (J) = The Eye of the Ocean Vol. 1, Solis/Lunae/Quartermaster (2020-2021)
  • Queen (Q) = The Odd Fellows X P52, Brass Monkey (2021)
  • King (K) = The 17th Kingdom, ALL* (2022-2023)
• Jokers
  • Joker 1 = The Odd Fellows Madame Laveau (2023)
  • Joker 2 = No. 17 Playing Cards, ALL* (2015)
  • Joker 3 = Black Requiem, Counterspell (2022)
  • Joker 4 = The Notorious Gambling Frog, ALL* (2021-2023)

ALL* - The design appears in all of the available Editions of the deck.
ADD** - The Joker illustration of the deck is superimposed on top of the Number Card from respective deck.
! - There's a small cresent moon symbol on the corners, didn't recall there's this symbol appear in Gemini's Number Cards.
+ - Originally, the gold parts of the artwork is done with metallic gold ink by USPCC, but this Anthology Deck makes it as gold foil.

[Timmargh]

I've made a gallery walkthrough to every cards in the Anthology Deck:
https://imgur.com/a/HCYX1tv

Fantastic! I've linked it from my site (with credit, of course).

[laitostarr777]

I've made a gallery walkthrough to every cards in the Anthology Deck:
https://imgur.com/a/HCYX1tv

Fantastic! I've linked it from my site (with credit, of course).

Perfect! Thank you for using my gallery to provide help for those who are interested with the deck!

[Honeybee]

Nice laito but I think you missed a few - a couple of 10's, and a couple of courts near the end

[laitostarr777]

Nice laito but I think you missed a few - a couple of 10's, and a couple of courts near the end

Yeah, just realized it.... must have failed uploaded yesterday. Already fixed it up!
And also, there's the answer to your question about how 17th Kingdom showed in the Anthology Deck!

[Honeybee]

Thanks. As well as the KoD the experimental 17th Kingdom is represented my a 3oC

[rousselle]

Gotta say, I recently went through the gilded "rejected" version of the deck and... oh, my. Sheer brilliance. Love it, love it, love it.

[JazzBaloo]

Gotta say, I recently went through the gilded "rejected" version of the deck and... oh, my. Sheer brilliance. Love it, love it, love it.

The rejected sticker is on the cellophane?

[GandalfPC]

Yup.

[Sir Toddalot]

The rejected sticker is on the cellophane?

I believe he’s referring to the gilded rejected, which is different from the standard rejected patreons got. The gilded just came in a white tuck box with no cellophane, while the standard does have the sticker on the cello.

[JazzBaloo]

I hadn't seen the white tuck. I thought the other one was the gilded deck.

[kevork]

I hadn't seen the white tuck. I thought the other one was the gilded deck.

It wasn't in the Patreon package. You had to buy it separately from the recent patron sale. Unsure if there's more available.

[JazzBaloo]

I hadn't seen the white tuck. I thought the other one was the gilded deck.

It wasn't in the Patreon package. You had to buy it separately from the recent patron sale. Unsure if there's more available.

I'm okay. I don't support much for patreon or high prices in general. I wouldn't start here with this plain white tuck

[kevork]

I hadn't seen the white tuck. I thought the other one was the gilded deck.

It wasn't in the Patreon package. You had to buy it separately from the recent patron sale. Unsure if there's more available.

I'm okay. I don't support much for patreon or high prices in general. I wouldn't start here with this plain white tuck

To each their own, of course. I bought one for $7.20.

[JazzBaloo]

I hadn't seen the white tuck. I thought the other one was the gilded deck.

It wasn't in the Patreon package. You had to buy it separately from the recent patron sale. Unsure if there's more available.

I'm okay. I don't support much for patreon or high prices in general. I wouldn't start here with this plain white tuck

To each their own, of course. I bought one for $7.20.

That's cheap. Is that with a paid patreon discount?

[kevork]

To each their own, of course. I bought one for $7.20.

That's cheap. Is that with a paid patreon discount?

Yeah. It was $9 otherwise.

[JazzBaloo]

To each their own, of course. I bought one for $7.20.

That's cheap. Is that with a paid patreon discount?

Yeah. It was $9 otherwise.

A gilded deck for 9$ ? I looking in the wrong places then. Good to know.

[hsbc]

Both rejected decks - the sealed one in the regular tuck with the sticker on top of the cellophane and the blank white tuck version - are $9 and currently still available from S17 in a Patreon-exclusive section of the webstore

[JazzBaloo]

Both rejected decks - the sealed one in the regular tuck with the sticker on top of the cellophane and the blank white tuck version - are $9 and currently still available from S17 in a Patreon-exclusive section of the webstore

Why are gilded and non gilded the same price? Also why so cheap?

[kevork]

WJPC made the backs gray instead of black so these are rejects. Lorenzo is selling them closer to cost as a result.

[JazzBaloo]

So WJPCC is producing gilded decks for less than 7.50? Does that include the tuck or is that made by someone else? Oh wait, that is why the tuck is plain.

[kevork]

So WJPCC is producing gilded decks for less than 7.50? Does that include the tuck or is that made by someone else? Oh wait, that is why the tuck is plain.

If you look at the picture from Sir Toddalot up above, there is the non-gilded version in a standard tuck as well.

Oh yes, the markups on printing can be pretty high. I don't know the quotes for foiling on both sides and/or gilding, but here's two breakdowns from WJPC. I had inquired just to get an idea.

Option1( Basic )

1. 56 Cards/deck
Material: 300g coated paper
Size: 63x 88mm
Printing: CMYK
Surface finish: Anti-scratch-matte
2. Tuck Box
Material: 300g white cardboard paper
Printing: CMYK
Surface finish: Glossy varnish
3. Unit Price
$1.72/deck, total $857 for 500 decks
$1.07/deck, total $1070 for 1000 decks
$0.86/deck, total $1290 for 1500 decks
$0.66/deck, total $1320 for 2000 decks

Option 2: Foil on the front

1. 56 Cards/deck
Material: 300g coated paper
Size: 63x 88mm
Printing: CMYK
Surface finish: Anti-scratch-matte+Foiling on the front
2. Tuck Box
Material: 300g white cardboard paper
Printing: CMYK
Surface finish: Glossy lamination
3. Unit Price
$2.46/deck, total $1330 for 500 decks
$1.45/deck, total $1450 for 1000 decks
$1.12/deck, total $1680 for 1500 decks
$0.85/deck, total $1700 for 2000 decks

[JazzBaloo]

I would be interested in seeing a similar breakdown of what Cartamundi's prices were for comparison. To be fair though a lot has changed in recent years and there are other variables that would not make it an apples to apples comparison but it would still be valuable information to me. For example, if Cartamundi's breakdown for a comparable product was 2 or 3 times the WJPC cost then that would be important information imo.

[A. Haines]

So WJPCC is producing gilded decks for less than 7.50? Does that include the tuck or is that made by someone else? Oh wait, that is why the tuck is plain.

If you look at the picture from Sir Toddalot up above, there is the non-gilded version in a standard tuck as well.

Oh yes, the markups on printing can be pretty high. I don't know the quotes for foiling on both sides and/or gilding, but here's two breakdowns from WJPC. I had inquired just to get an idea.

Option1( Basic )

1. 56 Cards/deck
Material: 300g coated paper
Size: 63x 88mm
Printing: CMYK
Surface finish: Anti-scratch-matte
2. Tuck Box
Material: 300g white cardboard paper
Printing: CMYK
Surface finish: Glossy varnish
3. Unit Price
$1.72/deck, total $857 for 500 decks
$1.07/deck, total $1070 for 1000 decks
$0.86/deck, total $1290 for 1500 decks
$0.66/deck, total $1320 for 2000 decks

Option 2: Foil on the front

1. 56 Cards/deck
Material: 300g coated paper
Size: 63x 88mm
Printing: CMYK
Surface finish: Anti-scratch-matte+Foiling on the front
2. Tuck Box
Material: 300g white cardboard paper
Printing: CMYK
Surface finish: Glossy lamination
3. Unit Price
$2.46/deck, total $1330 for 500 decks
$1.45/deck, total $1450 for 1000 decks
$1.12/deck, total $1680 for 1500 decks
$0.85/deck, total $1700 for 2000 decks

Allow me to interject...

WJPC offer various qualities of stock and finish. Purely due to printing MOQs, I deviated from my usual choice of Legends and chose to print my recent Patreon decks with WJ. Using the same stock and finish as Notorious Gambling Frog (great quality) you will find yourself paying a lot more than you have listed in the above quote (a lot!)

Also, any extras like special tuck papers, inside tuck prints etc are a factor.

But yeh, those prices are significantly lower than anything I've ever paid or been quoted for good quality paper playing cards from WJ or anywhere else. Comically low in fact (not a slight at you of course

I wouldn't want the community thinking us creators marked our cards up so much based on that idea of pricing. The order I just placed with WJ for 3x deck designs (200,200,100) wasn't far off what I would pay for a single deck design large MOQ (1k) of Legends decks with inside tuck print etc. The only benefit ordering from WJ being lower MOQs per deck design, the price itself for their quality stock and finishes is much of a muchness. I can only assume the quote you had is for the gift shop variety of cheap paper playing cards, as WJ is a large factory that supplies across all sectors, not just high quality collectable decks.

Just here to stick up for creators

Cheers!

[JazzBaloo]

Comically low to you or anyone else because they aren't considering extra costs, that have been eluded to. Less than 7.50 a deck for each variant is very real in this case regardless of what you're sticking up for.

[A. Haines]

$7.50usd per deck sounds much more realistic, I agree.

Kevork's quotes appeared to range from $0.66 to $2.46 per deck, for low print runs. Those numbers are unfeasibly low, and unheard of unless you are setting out to produce a cheap product. You might get each deck down down to $2.46 if you're a large supplier ordering 10k decks per design or something like that, I've not had reason to find out. And that's before considering shipping and import fees that need to be factored into the final overall cost: just talking about what the manufacturer charges you to print.

I have no angle to play here other than not wanting collectors feeling like they're being ripped off by creators who are paying a dollar or two to produce each deck. That is simply not the case (not close).

Cheers!