Eva Legendary (Celeste and Splendida) by TWI [KS June 21 2022]

[Thirdway Industries]

I confirm that the cellowrap and the seal prevent the decks from opening!

[Bradius]

I opened one of my Eva Celeste and one of my Eva Splendida decks. They look great....However. Both decks, like all of my foiled decks from Legends has a bow in them. It is really noticable. While I am not a cardist and my decks are not for heavy use. Most don't even get opened. That said, for a high end deck, this is really a problem Legends and EPCC need to fix.

[PiazzaDelivery]

What's the fix? Placing the cards between heavy volumes for a time? Will the bow just return with time?

Edit: Just got my decks. Opening the tuck is not necessary to see the unfortunately deep bend. Will likely be adding foiled LPCC decks to my nono list until things change.

[PiazzaDelivery]

I had several heavy tomes sitting atop the decks for several days. I removed them this morning and found decks that were just as bent as when they first came out of their boxes. Have I been impatient? How does one go about fixing this?

[GandalfPC]

Decided to pop open one so I could see what all the hubbub was about. I was able to detect the bend even before opening the tuck but find that the bow was about the same as my Eye of the Ocean decks but with the cards being a touch softer it did not effect my handling as much (dribble can be especially tough with EOTO bow as the arch fights breaking)

Going to spring them about a bit and toss them in a card clip - perhaps put them into the 6 ton press I have sitting in the garage just to be thorough…

[Harvonsgard]

That's interesting. All my 👁‍🗨 decks are perfect - like I'm used to from Cartamundi. Not that I have a lot of Cartamundi decks because they are not my favorite stock, to say it the least, but still a very decent amount since, some awesome designs have unfortunately (for me) printed with Cartamundi.

@Piazza I guess the bend is integral to the deck but the cards are soft enough to give. So you need more pressure and a longer period of time. From all the storys and pictures of the bend I'd say it won't be fixable without ruining the deck.

[rousselle]

Hmmm.

I haven't opened my Celeste or Splendida yet. After reading this thread just now, I look to my left where I have a pile of EotO decks. I don't notice any bend in the black ones at the top of the pile. Hmmm. Reach down lower on the pile. The blue deck I have opened (also gilded) seems fine. A green gilded also seems fine. But... what if the gilding is making the problem less? I take an open non-gilded green and... yeah, it's subtle, but it's there. Hmmm. So, then I look closer at the black gilded (one that has been opened, both the outer and inner celophane). You know what? Where the cut-out section is in the top left corner... the cards near the top are bending jussst a little bit more than the ones below them, and it's clearly happening at the point of the cut-out.

So, clearly not as bad here as wherever some of y'all live, but then again, the Seattle area is notorious for having weird atmosphere. But nonetheless, yeah, there's a wee little bit of a noticeable effect.

Then, for the hell of it, I opened my original Oz deck from KWP. I hadn't opened that one in a while, but I recall that it had a more noticeable bend. Let's see how--

HOLY MOTHER OF SMURF!

That deck has bent to the point of being completely ridiculous! Interestingly, it still fans just fine, but HOLY SCHNIKES that is a very, very, very bad bend.

Nowww I get why Jackson had it reprinted.

Such a shame. I have so many decks with foiling on one side that don't have this problem. Metalluxe isn't the only workably solution. But, wow, if that's what happens with EPCC decks foiled on one side after a while... I've got a lot of decks in my collection that are turning to crap and I had been blissfully unaware.

I'm going to open up my newest Eva decks soon so that I can enjoy them in their pristine beauty. But... yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they age. Unlike the Oz deck, I think I'll check in on these a bit more frequently.

Bummed about the Oz deck. Really, really like the effect of the foil on the backs. Well, the visual effect... when the cards haven't warped like the mind of a five-year-old on crack.

[GandalfPC]

I didn’t see the card clip alone doing much so I gave the deck a few reverse bends to correct the bow (folding the deck in half the long way) then left them in a clip overnight - nearly flat now - about 1mm of bow - going to give them a bit more work and see if they lie flat tomorrow…


Fresh from the clip:

And after a few springs…

Here is my EOTO - haven't tried to fix the warp yet…

[Harvonsgard]

Holy shite... that's disgusting to look at. One of the reasons I prefer design over features. What does the latest foil application is worth if your deck turns to shit?
When the I had my Original silks out a couple of days ago, I noticed some colour rub of on the white of the cards. Red on the OG and blue on the Blue Silk... Didn't handle it or even had it out for two years or so.
And this is why USPCC reigns supreme in regards to handling and longevity.

[laitostarr777]

I just received mine today, and both decks are in good condition. Although.... I think the foiling effect for my Splendida already took its toll, when I hold it, it feels it already bent the deck entirely

This is bent and flat state of the cards. Splendida already bent, not sure what will come for Celeste as days go by.

Dayum! The foils just look really divine. Although if it caused problems like making the cards bent, what's the use? LPCC might need to have this on their watchlist to improve their foiling.

PS: one of the card of my Splendida (shown here) is chipped on the bottom side. OUCH!


Since it's by LPCC, there are 54 cards, thus we have to say farewell to the Lilith and Phyrra Joker from both Splendida and Celeste. Overall, these two are a good adition to the Eva series

[PiazzaDelivery]

This is bent and flat state of the cards. Splendida already bent, not sure what will come for Celeste as days go by.

I have had the same experience. My Celeste is definitely bent, but next to Splendida, it looks fine.

[Harvonsgard]

Those in the photos above where never handled? They look worse than poop decks I handled since my card journey began... .

[laitostarr777]

I took that photos straight out of the box - not springed, not dribbled yet

[brownsl]

Yuk.

[Bradius]

I know this is not the same deck and we are veering a bit off topic, but I was looking at my opened Robin Hood yesterday and was shocked. This is one of the backs. I don't handle these cards much and already the ink is separating from the cards leaving the foil underneath exposed.

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[GandalfPC]

I only have one Robin Hood (standard) which I hesitate to open to check….

[rousselle]

I've noticed this "separation" issue (of inks rubbing off the foil beneath) on a couple decks here and there, but haven't paid it too much attention... except for when I've noticed a similar (but not the same) effect on a couple of Lotrek decks. However, those are already a bit of a thing because he has all his decks printed by a different local (I presume) shop using a different technique every time, and I hate to call out something that is ultimately never going to get repeated again.

I opened up my Robin Hood deck which, like Bradius above, I don't pull out very often. The deck is almost perfect, with the exception of the same issue that Bradius notes above with the face of the Ace of Hearts. Not enough for me to say is an issue, and I'll also note that those cards are not showing any of the bending that started us down this rabbit hole of a discussion.

So, yeah. Finally opened up my Eva Legendary decks (except White Rose... haven't opened my lone White Rose just yet.)

First, let me say that these decks are absolutely gorgeous. Absolutely love the effect of the holofoil. Love the illustrations and the design.

...And I'm seeing the exact same bending issue y'all have been reporting. Even though there is foiling on both sides (which means the severe bend with Jackson's Wizard of Oz v1 deck can't be blamed on being foiled on only one side.) I'll also note that it was worse on one than the other (the purple was *much* more noticeable), and I could tell by the feel that they were very much on their way to being just as severe as Oz.

So, I'd say this isn't something LPCC should maybe, possibly think about looking at someday down the road. This is a must-fix. Yikes.

Again, we know that this effect can be done without the bowing. Not sure what the magic combination is, but with these decks (and others mentioned), *something* is making for unreasonable bowing.

Pulled out a black Monolith with the holofoil on both sides. Those decks show no bending at all. And they are gorgeous. And... printed by Cartamundi.

So, yeah, LPCC: You gotta figure this out.

[Eric Lee]

I know this is not the same deck and we are veering a bit off topic, but I was looking at my opened Robin Hood yesterday and was shocked. This is one of the backs. I don't handle these cards much and already the ink is separating from the cards leaving the foil underneath exposed.

Yikes, seeing these issues, no wonder JR released a V2. Anyone got the V2 Oz deck? How does that stack with the Oz v1?

[hsbc]

My decks were/are bent as well - honestly I'm starting to only want Legends decks if I really, really like the artwork How much cheaper are they? Because I feel like more and more people are printing with them