Path of Destruction: Fury Playing Cards

[Aliasfour]

Greetings Everyone,

We are launching our second campaign on Monday 24, January. You can find all the details down below.

Signup for Kickstarter launch through this link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pa ... ds-by-zpcc

[STLBluesNut]

i do like the cartoony style of the tuck box.

[Aliasfour]

i do like the cartoony style of the tuck box.

Thank You! Hope you can hop in the Kickstarter in the next few days.

[Aliasfour]

We are at 32% on the first 12 hours into the campaign. Go check out the campaign and don't hesitate to show us your feedback, we hope you like what we have worked on with the collector's wooden box, the new custom carat case, and more to come.

[STLBluesNut]

alas, i do not think this is a deck for me at the price but i hope the campaign goes well. i don't normally like dual logo decks but the cartoony little volcano kind of does it for me. i like it. i really like the ace of spades design. not real fond of the courts to be honest. i like the cartoony style but there is something about them i cannot describe that isnt for me. the biggest issue for me though is the price and tier structure.

$16 ($14 EB) should be for the special tuck, not the plain glossy tuck. there is no way that i see to purchase the special tuck alone. even if i wanted to make an exception and purchase the special tuck because i like the tuck design and some other elements, it is locked behind buying other decks. i do hope this funds well for you though.

[Aliasfour]

alas, i do not think this is a deck for me at the price but i hope the campaign goes well. i don't normally like dual logo decks but the cartoony little volcano kind of does it for me. i like it. i really like the ace of spades design. not real fond of the courts to be honest. i like the cartoony style but there is something about them i cannot describe that isnt for me. the biggest issue for me though is the price and tier structure.

$16 ($14 EB) should be for the special tuck, not the plain glossy tuck. there is no way that i see to purchase the special tuck alone. even if i wanted to make an exception and purchase the special tuck because i like the tuck design and some other elements, it is locked behind buying other decks. i do hope this funds well for you though.

Thank you so much for the feedback & the . I apologize if the price doesn't suit you, we really tried our best to lower the prices but the printing company prices increased because of COVID, and same as for the shipping for gamblers warehouse, they increased their shipping prices.

For the price of the special deck, you are not only getting a special tuck that has foil, emboss, deboss, matte finish, and inside print with metallic ink, you are getting gilded cards also. I don't think it's fair to say that for $16 ($14 EB) you should get this deck. We would barely break even if we price that for the special deck and that won't fund the campaign, and we are printing only 300 special decks, so their price increase per deck. I'm really sorry that you weren't able to support us although you like the style of it. Thank you again for everything!

[STLBluesNut]

i understand some things are beyond your control. i did not take into account the special deck being gilded, i was speaking to the tuck features alone. which brings up another issue. why is there not a version or why in order to get a special tuck, with features most collectors look for, the only way is a gilded deck? i know these are all decisions to be made with pro and cons. how many versions to offer, etc. just something to think about.

standard cards (meaning no foil or met. ink) with a plain glossy tuckbox in my mind should be about a $10 price point. perhaps up to $12 or $13 if i like the design a lot.

standard cards with un upgraded tuck (embossing, foil, matte stock) should be around $15. perhaps up to $16 or $17.

these are just general guidelines i have personally and what i am used to over the last 3 or 4 years. this is why Theory 11 is such a great value at $10 if you like the design. print run sizes, i get it.

only printing 300 special decks. which is a choice you made, and can change, that increases the price. this is an argument i see a lot. i understand you have to set limits on what you think will sell but you are making the decision to limit them and increase the price so using that as a reason is iffy to me. like creators that know their demand is X amount but make a ''limited edition'' at half of x amount to increase the price. well great, you sold 200 decks at $20 but you could have sold 600 at $15 (as an example for illustration). so you made less money, which the scalpers will profit of off, and pissed off 2/3 of your base that weren't able to get a deck because you decided to artificially limit your deck. this is where some designer talk about branding and image and wanting to be seen as exclusive and all that hype BS mumbo jumbo. i would rather a designer want to sell more to more people at an affordable price rather than wanting to create artificial rarity to sell fewer decks for more money to maintain some luxury/exclusive brand image. just my opinion and something to think about. sorry for the rant that doesn't necessarily apply to this situation.

[Aliasfour]

i understand some things are beyond your control. i did not take into account the special deck being gilded, i was speaking to the tuck features alone. which brings up another issue. why is there not a version or why in order to get a special tuck, with features most collectors look for, the only way is a gilded deck? i know these are all decisions to be made with pro and cons. how many versions to offer, etc. just something to think about.

standard cards (meaning no foil or met. ink) with a plain glossy tuckbox in my mind should be about a $10 price point. perhaps up to $12 or $13 if i like the design a lot.

standard cards with un upgraded tuck (embossing, foil, matte stock) should be around $15. perhaps up to $16 or $17.

these are just general guidelines i have personally and what i am used to over the last 3 or 4 years. this is why Theory 11 is such a great value at $10 if you like the design. print run sizes, i get it.

only printing 300 special decks. which is a choice you made, and can change, that increases the price. this is an argument i see a lot. i understand you have to set limits on what you think will sell but you are making the decision to limit them and increase the price so using that as a reason is iffy to me. like creators that know their demand is X amount but make a ''limited edition'' at half of x amount to increase the price. well great, you sold 200 decks at $20 but you could have sold 600 at $15 (as an example for illustration). so you made less money, which the scalpers will profit of off, and pissed off 2/3 of your base that weren't able to get a deck because you decided to artificially limit your deck. this is where some designer talk about branding and image and wanting to be seen as exclusive and all that hype BS mumbo jumbo. i would rather a designer want to sell more to more people at an affordable price rather than wanting to create artificial rarity to sell fewer decks for more money to maintain some luxury/exclusive brand image. just my opinion and something to think about. sorry for the rant that doesn't necessarily apply to this situation.

I totally understand your point of view. I have to disagree with you on many points. No disrespect at all, I really understand why you are thinking like this.

First, I have to say that you can't compare me to theory 11 or any other campaign to be honest because this is only my second launch. And I'm relatively very new to this and I still have more to learn as I learn from you now. I don't get special offers or ways to print 10K or 5K or 2K decks and discounts especially going with a new company.

I'm forced to print only 300 special decks and unfortunately, I can't split them otherwise they are considered separate decks because they are Chinese and that's how they think. I have considered what you said about splitting them but I can't.

Second, honestly, I feel I can price the decks a little higher because I'm working with a fully custom deck including redesigned courts, that said if you look at our previous campaign I only increased the price of the decks by 1$ which is actually something I was forced to do because the costs increased and same as for the shipping.

Third, If you look at my previous campaign you will see that I used to call it premium and limited, which I learned that it wrong to do and I have called it special because I'm forced to make 300 decks, I don't want them to be limited and I'm not saying that they are limited for sure. I don't want my decks to be luxury and exclusive and rare, that's not what our company is going for. We have a bright of future in front of us and I look forward to printing more decks and increasing print runs later on so I can decrease the price and for many other reasons also.

Finally, I wanna say something about the pricing and how many decks should be sold. I have to work according to my last campaign and how many decks I sold, I can't think that if I price it 5$ lower I will get 400 decks sold more. In the end, I have a goal I should achieve, and it's not an easy task. Honestly, the special decks are for collectors mainly, and I take the majority of the collectors want gilding in the deck that is why I went with it. For, the prices you said, I'm really happy to share with you all the expenses of the project and see that I basically should have sold it for more but I went with the lowest price ever that will help me get funded at least. I'm really thankful for all your thoughts and I'm considering everything you said.

[Eric Lee]

Really appreciate you taking the time to go through and explain the process behind your campaigns. We who aren't designers or producers learn alot from these details, like for Chinese printers these are "considered separate decks" and they charge accordingly; and how much prices have gone up for printing and shipping cards.

Emily (Nebula deck) recently stated on a FB group that GW printing non-standard tucks have become as expensive as USPCC previously. Didn't expect costs to go up by that much.

So looks like $15-16 decks are now the norm for KS projects , unless you're T11 or Penguin or going standard tucks and decks all the way. Gives a better perspective why JR decided to stop making Std ed for his Table Players and VR deck Subs.

Wish you all the best for Fury.

[MagikFingerz]

To the point on print size: Most of us are used to USPCC/Cartamundi/EPCC not offering print runs of less than 1000 unless you're willing to pay much more per deck. When it comes to other printers, I often don't even consider that they have their own printing limits and pricing structure. I'd love to see a pricing chart for some of the smaller printers, would be an interesting comparison.